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Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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All of them were sorted during WFH. I moved out to remote places and paid far less. I saved quite a bit on all of the above remote other than Internet of course. The economy is setup to extract your money from you once you've earned it.

> The economy is setup to extract your money... Well, yes. How else can the rich keep getting richer? And the umpteen million individuals assuming "stocks will return 10% over the long term" in their retirement planning actually manage to retire as they planned? And as long as the culture wars can be kept burning fairly hot, the line-ups of new movies and video drama compelling, and the web addictive - the poor worki…

Push it too far and people will just "lie flat", i.e. check out of the economy.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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Their argument is basically that while normally a company raising prices would mean that some of their customers move to a competitor, in today's environment there is an implicit agreement that every company will keep prices high. So are they saying that the free market is basically not a thing anymore because of covid, and no company wants to get an edge over its competitors by undercutting on price despite having r…

Yes, they are saying exactly that, and those economists are idiots. They think that prices are the result of costs+profit, rather than optimized to maximize demand*profit; demand being a function of price.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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Perhaps you went to a better school than I did. I only did 101 and 102, but even then the professor always spoke in terms like we were some old village, probably to make things easier to understand. But obviously those analogies don't apply to the world today, mostly.

The problem is that people aren't rational, and they don't have perfect information. So the history of finance and commerce has been a cat-and-mouse game where the cats find new ways to cheat people, and the mice try to recognize and prevent those schemes. One example: cartels. If an industry is dominated by a small number of large players, they can collude to set prices and stifle competition through regulatory capt…

They don't even need to "collude".

They can just look at what their "competitors" are doing. I raise my prices a little bit. You see me raise the prices a little, and you raise them a little. And then I see that and raise them a little more. Then I do a tiny round of layoffs. You also layoff some people. Then I do a bigger round of layoffs and communicate big profits publicly. And you follow suit.

You and I never talk, never "collude". But we are effectively communicating through our numbers. As long as we have captured a big enough market, we don't need to talk, and we both benefit.

I don't know if there's even a term for this kind of "tacit collaboration". Perhaps "anticompetition"?

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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One example is car dealers. Sure, they can charge MSRP, but they will run out of cars pretty fast. And since they have no control over how much they are allotted by the manufactures, they’re effectively putting themselves at a significant disadvantage versus competition in their market. So the logical thing would be to match their competition and mark up.

In an age where advertisement budget is key to survival for many companies, profitability could determine who gets ahead over the long run.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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Don't forget supply and demand works on the capital side of the equation too, higher inflation means shareholders push for higher profits in the same way that high inflation causes workers to push for higher wages. There's increasing supply of investments at higher rate of return, bond yields are close to 4% which means riskier investments need to pay more to compete.

Absolutely. But for competitors to raise margins bilaterally requires cooperation, because each side can take market share by keeping prices low. I just wonder if the cooperation might come in the form of, say, one powerful shareholder of both competitors making calls to the boards of directors of both competing companies. Unexpected consequence of passive investing?

Is this really the case though? All shareholders are pushing for higher returns because of inflation, it's not an indication of collusion, it's an indication that the market conditions have changed.

As I said on the flip side the fact that all workers are pushing for higher salaries isn't a reflection of collusion between different sets of workers, it's just a reflection of the new economic conditions on the ground.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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> The economy is setup to extract your money... Well, yes. How else can the rich keep getting richer? And the umpteen million individuals assuming "stocks will return 10% over the long term" in their retirement planning actually manage to retire as they planned? And as long as the culture wars can be kept burning fairly hot, the line-ups of new movies and video drama compelling, and the web addictive - the poor worki…

Push it too far and people will just "lie flat", i.e. check out of the economy.

That's just another curve for Wall Street to optimize. And in their books, anyone who persists in lying flat is 100% expendable.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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Their argument is basically that while normally a company raising prices would mean that some of their customers move to a competitor, in today's environment there is an implicit agreement that every company will keep prices high. So are they saying that the free market is basically not a thing anymore because of covid, and no company wants to get an edge over its competitors by undercutting on price despite having r…

Things I pay a lot for: * Rent (they're all high; and can't afford to buy anywhere near where I work) * Food (prices are pretty much the same everywhere) * Internet (Cable's the only modern-speed option where I currently rent) * Energy / Gas - either utilities or again, the same everywhere I think most everyone else is in the same boat. I can scale down some of these a little bit, but they're all fairly __inelastic__…

In my country, rents are increasing now after the markets have already been flat or down, the startup boom has long fizzled out, and there are layoffs almost every day.

It's baffling. Rents were down during the pandemic but they've now rocketed up 50-100% in some areas.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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Free market economists are followers of a cult full of animistic creatures, like the "Free Market" and "Inflation", which have their own volition and just choose to "stick around" or "fairly distribute goods", without the need for absolutely no human to many any decision at all. "This damned inflation is so sticky!" I imagine one of them complaining, while trying to wash it off their hands. "Yeah, if only Free Market…

Printing money to handout to people is not part of any free market theory I know about. Also buying banks with tax payer money to avoid their fall is also not part of any FREE market. When some business get saved but others are forced to close (for any reason), there is no free market. In fact those things are precisely the opposite of "free" and create an uneven playing field where big players have unfair advantages.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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It's a likely theory. But economics teaches us when a player overcharges, others will step in to undercut and take all the market share. So, we're at a point where we need to admit that mantra isn't true in the modern age, or admit that we've done a terrible job at preventing effective monopolies/duopolies from forming.

Tough to happen in a world of monopolies.

Look at all the bank failures and mergers - it just gives pricing power to a couple of banks.

Re: Why is inflation so sticky? It could be corporate profits

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I'm not familiar with the law of rent, but it does not seem accurate. Right now blue collar workers can't afford to rent within a 60 minute commute to Boston, where they are not paid a wage that justifies that commute. Why would you cook or clean in Boston when you could do it literally anywhere else in MA without the commute? I guess my point is that markets continually prove to not be rational. Maybe a philosopher…

Why do you believe this to be a market failure?

Just for sake of argument, let’s say it is market failure. But what will correct it first, the market or a new law passed by Congress?
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