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Why is "no GC" an advantage for something aimed at such high-level tasks?
They claim they are writing the actual kernel code (as in the implementation of a matmul) with it, and it was presented as a "system programming language": this goes far beyond "high-level tasks" it seems.
Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
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Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#162Hi Jeremy Howard here. I pop up in the launch video to demo super-fast matmul and mandelbrot in mojo. I'm pretty excited about this language, to say the least - not just for AI/ML, but for pretty much everything! Lemme know if you have any questions and I'll answer as best as I can. (I'm an advisor to Modulo.)
Also, will the next version of the FastAI library be written in Mojo?
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#163There are a bunch of questions about Julia, so I'll do my best to give a short answer to a very long and complicated topic. Up front, Julia is a wonderful language and a wonderful community, I am a super fan. That said, Mojo is a completely different thing. It is aligned with the Python community to solve specific problems outlined here: https://docs.modular.com/mojo/why-mojo.html Mojo also has a bunch of technical a…
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#164Hi Jeremy Howard here. I pop up in the launch video to demo super-fast matmul and mandelbrot in mojo. I'm pretty excited about this language, to say the least - not just for AI/ML, but for pretty much everything! Lemme know if you have any questions and I'll answer as best as I can. (I'm an advisor to Modulo.)
Although there are no concrete implementations to review, the implication was that Mojo will/can be used standalone (similar to a Python implementation), so one is not necessarily locked onto the Modular platform. Was this a correct understanding? Also, will the next version of the FastAI library be written in Mojo?
I'm not sure how long it will take before there's enough ML/DL functionality to write something like fastai in Mojo. I think there will be at least one more major version of fastai in Python. And even when Mojo can support what fastai needs, I expect to continue to supporting fastai on python as well.
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#165Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#166Well, I'm blown away. If this succeeds, it will allow you to use Python for the entire AI stack: high-level model composition (as usual), fast compiled CPU code (instead of, say, libs written with C++), and on-device operations (instead of, say, libs that use CUDA). Oh, and it will make your Python code parallel (i.e., there's no GIL). Obviously, we'll have to wait until Mojo is production-ready, but I'm excited afte…
Oh yes!
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#167There are a bunch of questions about Julia, so I'll do my best to give a short answer to a very long and complicated topic. Up front, Julia is a wonderful language and a wonderful community, I am a super fan. That said, Mojo is a completely different thing. It is aligned with the Python community to solve specific problems outlined here: https://docs.modular.com/mojo/why-mojo.html Mojo also has a bunch of technical a…
Congrats on the launch! In addition to the dramatic possibilities for ML, I hope mojo will have an impact in other scientific software through the ease of specialization to hardware capabilities. The current common subset of Python and “pure” mojo (ie not using CPython) is small, but will expand according to your roadmap. Do you envision porting pure Python libraries as part of the effort, or perhaps help other commu…
Modular can do exactly the same with existing Python packages, and lift them into Mojo that way.
Reference: https://numba.discourse.group/t/proposal-development-focus-f...
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
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Strongly disagree with this statement (and agree with the parent). In many hard engineering disciplines, appropriate solvers (e.g. SuiteSparse) are barely supported, if at all (e.g. scikit-sparse only supports CHOLMOD, and UMFPACK is supported via another package). People overestimate how many people are willing to work on the "wrap C numerical library in Python" problem. On the other hand, Mathworks employs many peo…
Sounds like a niche to me, with lots of options (wrapping C numerical libraries in python) for people that don't want to be locked in. When I was in school 15 years ago, matlab was pretty ubiquitous. Maybe it was to strong to say it's irrelevant as opposed to niche, though it's definitely irrelevant in many fields where it used to be king. I do miss the figures though, I liked the combination of programmatic formatti…
Re: Mojo – a new programming language for AI developers
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although there are no concrete implementations to review, the implication was that Mojo will/can be used standalone (similar to a Python implementation), so one is not necessarily locked onto the Modular platform. Was this a correct understanding? Also, will the next version of the FastAI library be written in Mojo?
Mojo can actually create fully standalone binaries, so you don't even need a Mojo install to run them! Also the binaries are really small compared to languages that need a big runtime (e.g. a binary containing the matmul implementation is ~100kb). I'm not sure how long it will take before there's enough ML/DL functionality to write something like fastai in Mojo. I think there will be at least one more major version o…