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NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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Wouldn't the notification that an AirTag is located somewhere in the vehicle they're thinking of stealing deter them from stealing it?

Not if it helps them find and remove the AirTag. It might have a deterring effect if the Airtag was somewhere hard to remove

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Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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I'm the CEO of Life360, Tile's parent company. I chimed in on another comment but adding to the conversation directly here. I'm biased, but I am surprised how little pushback this is getting as AirTags explicitly are NOT meant to deter theft - to combat stalking (which is exceedingly rare) Apple notifies you if a tag you do not own is near you. That goes for thieves - they will be told an AirTag is nearby. At Tile we…

Wouldn't the notification that an AirTag is located somewhere in the vehicle they're thinking of stealing deter them from stealing it?

The notification doesn't fire until you've been moving along with the tag for a while, so the vehicle has already been stolen by the time the thieves are aware there's an AirTag present. I guess it might encourage them to dump the vehicle somewhere and abandon it, and you can then go pick it up using the AirTag's last known location. Doesn't really prevent the initial theft, but improves your chances for recovering the vehicle.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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I guess I'm misunderstanding how Apple prevents you from sharing in their experiences. Did Apple create a walled garden around experiences, which I wouldn't put past them? This is an honest question. I heard something in a stand-up bit, from which I gathered sms from non-Apple users are flagged a certain way in Apple users' conversations. Is there something else?

In the US, the vast, vast majority of iPhone users use iMessage for chatting. When you are in a group chat on iMessage, and you are the only Android user: 1. Video sharing is essentially unusable. Forget "potato quality", basically the videos are essentially unviewable. And this goes not just to videos that are sent to you, it's also videos you send to the group. Sharing videos in a group chat is not an uncommon acti…

I think the lack of success of iMessage in the rest of the world is the only reason Apple has been able to maintain iMessage as a closed one platform chat protocol.

Nobody uses iMessage or SMS in the EU these days, but if usage was like in the US then I suspect that Apple would have already been forced long ago to open up or release clients for other platforms. The US is very unlikely to make demands, but the EU doesn't mess around with this kind of thing.

Of course, knowing Apple, they might also respond to such a scenario by removing iMessage on EU phones and keeping it the same in the US.

It sucks, but I understand why someone might be forced to swap to a specific product or device for social reasons. Shame though.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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I'm the CEO of Life360, Tile's parent company. I chimed in on another comment but adding to the conversation directly here. I'm biased, but I am surprised how little pushback this is getting as AirTags explicitly are NOT meant to deter theft - to combat stalking (which is exceedingly rare) Apple notifies you if a tag you do not own is near you. That goes for thieves - they will be told an AirTag is nearby. At Tile we…

The Tile app constantly nags me in ugly ways to give it always on location permissions. How is that data used beyond helping people find their items?

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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I'm the CEO of Life360, Tile's parent company. I chimed in on another comment but adding to the conversation directly here. I'm biased, but I am surprised how little pushback this is getting as AirTags explicitly are NOT meant to deter theft - to combat stalking (which is exceedingly rare) Apple notifies you if a tag you do not own is near you. That goes for thieves - they will be told an AirTag is nearby. At Tile we…

Yeah, the point of AirTags was never anti-theft.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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post #225

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But you can use any of a wide variety of actually useful messenger applications with no platform limitations… Line, Telegram, Signal, Whatsapp, Messenger. Why do these people insist on iMessage?

Because it is the default.

Yeah, but you’d think they could be bothered to switch so that all their friends can participate equally.

Especially considering the burdensome cost of absolutely free.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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> But as someone who spent years on iPhone, then switched fully to Android for 5 devices across 4 years Perhaps you don't know how to pick phones? My last Android device lasted 4 years (in fact it is still going strong after I installed DivestOS, became my backup phone), and my new device will probably last a long time too. Each for a fraction of the price charged by Apple.

> Perhaps you don't know how to pick phones? My last Android device lasted 4 years (in fact it is still going strong after I installed DivestOS, became my backup phone), and my new device will probably last a long time too. They might just replace their phone a lot. Some people do that. Actually, despite the common wisdom that Apple users are always getting the latest thing and just can't wait to give Apple more mone…

I know a lot of people that get the latest iphone every year but I think the difference is they don’t advertise it or mention it the way a lot of the android folks do. Perhaps due to the hardware enthusiast overlap you mentioned.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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This article throws up many flags for me, not necessarily red, but of a worrying color. It first celebrates surveillance devices as a net positive and hand-waves away its problems. But most importantly, it is awfully shortsighted to allow a single company to entrench itself further into societal transactions. However, hearing it is inconvenient, so I am often dismissed for saying so. > They're made by Apple, which me…

> Again... this level of ignorance and short-sightedness is surprising coming from someone in such a position of authority He was making a joke, playing into the Android vs iPhone eternal war. But as someone who spent years on iPhone, then switched fully to Android for 5 devices across 4 years, and now back to iPhone..... I actually think the ignorance is the other way (Android users who have never tried iPhone as th…

I think the ignorance point was more about ignoring the entire Android userbase who wouldn't benefit from these donated AirTags, which is a valid point for a government program.

(I also currently own an iPhone mini 12 but my Galaxy S23 Ultra is my daily driver, no accounting for taste and such).

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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post #252

I'm the CEO of Life360, Tile's parent company. I chimed in on another comment but adding to the conversation directly here. I'm biased, but I am surprised how little pushback this is getting as AirTags explicitly are NOT meant to deter theft - to combat stalking (which is exceedingly rare) Apple notifies you if a tag you do not own is near you. That goes for thieves - they will be told an AirTag is nearby. At Tile we…

We use a tracker to track our cat who we allow outdoors every day until an hour before sunset. We initially used a Tile and then decided to switch to an AirTag since it had a larger network. After 4 months of the air tag we're looking to switch back. Most of what the tags do is allow us to know when we're within X number of feet of our cat. The Tile had a better range and was lighter. But most importantly, we could h…

> But most importantly, we could have multiple accounts track the same Tile. Somehow Apple's airtags are missing this really critical feature that has come up again and again for us. If one of us is not home we need to be able to have another one of us be able to track her down but we simply cannot

I really hate Apple's insistence on using 1 account for everything (I mean EVERYTHING). I think it was what finally made me put my foot down on using iCloud and not wanting an apple card savings account. Plus their account management system sucks. It's the only system I've used that randomly forgets I'm logged in and demands me to log in again on my computers, phones, etc.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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As a US Android user, I don't feel very disadvantaged. I have an iPad, an M1 Mac, and a couple Airtags. If I lose something I probably won't be able to locate it until I get back home. I haven't had much trouble with getting group messages on android but maybe my use-case isn't representative. I think the Android perks still outweigh the cost. Not that any of this isn't possible on iPhone but it's a smoother Android…

By far the biggest barrier is group chats with others who are on iphone. Not only is the experience pretty broken for you, it essentially ends up breaking the experience for everyone else. This AirTags example just highlights that to a large portion of the US populace, Android is essentially a joke.

The worst is that group chats aren’t reliable in that some messages won’t go to all participants.

But if everyone is iMessage everything goes through. I’m sure it’s an iPhone bug, but it means that mentally I can count on iMessage chats to go through and mixed chats I’m frequently wondering and having to check with each member, “did you get that.” So it means that mixed chats are extra chatty with people confirming with “oks.”

It’s just a crappier experience with green chats and everything goes smoothly so try blue chats.

I wouldn’t cut out friends because of it, but I have a small iota of sadness when I start a chat and it turns green because of someone.

For kids it’s kind of brutal with friends literally not talking to people because they aren’t using emojis.

It’s not android’s fault, but it’s an easy pain to spare my child by buying an iPhone. Not to mention my iPhones last years longer than my android phones and one kid is even using an ancient iPhone 6 to chat with friends.

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