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Post by jofer »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #866
jofer wrote: post #864

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Senate_Bill_3 is a good example.

Just gave it a once over - This is precisely what I was talking about - This is a bill which prohibits drag shows which appeal to a prurient interest from being open to all ages. How on earth is this "going after trans people". This is "Don't let kids into highly sexualized events - events which have lately allowed underage people to attend" This seem reasonable to me, and even if its not reasonable, it is hardly "go…

The issue is the way it's defined and the language in the law.

What defines "drag"? As that legislation is currently written, it can be interpreted to be someone simply appearing in public.

That aside, though, I don't see how banning things like drag queen storytime (which has happened locally here) are somehow a ban on sexualized events. How is that sexualized?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by chefandy »

OoOOo wrote: post #698
chefandy wrote: post #213

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My home ISP usually resolves to within 15 miles but my mobile often resolves to NYC which is across two state borders and almost 150 miles away. If I'm looking for something at Home Depot or whatnot it always sets my store location to Manhattan. Probably good for confusing trackers.

Exactly

Let's just hope NYC doesn't make any similarly draconian web laws.

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Post by yamtaddle »

scarface74 wrote: post #869
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I remember those surveys. I did so much meth.

You really don’t think a lot of teenagers are smoking weed?

> Yes and forcing people to show ID has really stopped underaged drinking and making drugs illegal have stopped people from smoking weed.

> Past-year vaping of marijuana also remained steady in 2020 following large increases in 2018 and 2019.

I've got a guess about why the number might be rising, and it rhymes with "egalization", in which case, yes, making drugs illegal reduced use of drugs. I guarantee fewer people in general, including fewer kids, smoked when it was illegal, and less was consumed overall. I'd further bet there's a lot less pot consumption by kids now, than there would be if dispensaries didn't verify age.

But I also suspect it's just kinda hard to get clean data about teen drug use. I'd also guess the real figures are extremely uneven (that "8% of eighth graders", if accurate, probably means 20% some places and 2% in others) and high use correlates to places where it's easy to get, which supports the notion that carding or outlawing should reduce use (since they make it harder to get).

(Nb. I'm pro-legalization, I just think carding and outlawing almost certainly strongly curb use, though of course they don't stop it completely, and I think "this wasn't perfectly effective, so it's necessarily useless" isn't a strong point in most situations)

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Post by rootusrootus »

throwaway743 wrote: post #756
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I agree generally that there is some serious puritanical roots in the US that are still at heavy play today. But there must be more to what's happening than just that. in other threads it's bewing shown that many European countries and Canada are passing similar laws. Puritanical roots of Europe?

Honestly, idk enough about what's happening in Europe or Canada as it relates to this topic, but it's possible that there are other cultural or historical factors at play. My initial assumption is maybe it's due to a rise in conservatism in certain countries? Again, idk, I haven't been keeping up with the news on this. What's going on exactly? Which countries?

You're not at all sure why it's happening in multiple other countries, but you're completely confident it must be the 'puritanical roots of the US'?

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Post by int_19h »

rayiner wrote: post #159
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There are countless programmers, from self taught amateurs to professional SWEs, white hats, grey hats and black hats, who would immediately jump at the opportunity to create stronger VPNs, mirror sites, Tor nodes, and other tools to allow the public to bypass these restrictions. Trying to control the Internet in America is a losing proposition, for better or worse.

I would have agreed with you 20 years ago. But I think today, large scale internet censorship would be feasible. My wife and I marvel at her (much younger) Gen Z siblings’ computer illiteracy. These kids are the iPad/walled garden generation. These laws would be effective to keep Internet porn out of the hands of a large majority of younger people. That’s especially true because so many kids rely on phones and iPads,…

Anecdotally I can tell you that once Internet censorship in Russia (coming both from the state itself, and from foreign websites blocking access) ramped up enough, suddenly many very non-technical people have figured out how to use VPNs.

And with something as popular as porn? Why, that just might end up being one of the largest VPN awareness campaigns. ~

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Post by rootusrootus »

nathan_compton wrote: post #475
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> it’s because they want to look out for children The issue is that it's _their_ job to look out for their children. We don't force all beds to have "walls", and give adults the keys to lower them if they show proof of age. Parents are supposed to buy _cribs_ for their children.

But if a parent neglects those responsibilities society is understood to have the right to intervene. In other words, the state has the responsibility to intervene on behalf of society for the well being of children. Given that responsibility, its pretty easy to suggest that the state has the power to make laws which may protect children over and above what individual parents might do.

I think most of us understand the line for gov't involvement to be much closer to the abuse end of the scale than the ate-too-much-candy end. We know empirically that gov't intervention itself has significant consequences that may completely outweigh the damage being done by whatever bad behavior they were trying to solve.

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Post by aaron695 »

wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

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Post by salawat »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #726
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>What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal? When marijuana became legalized in my state, you had to verify your age and they wrote down your ID in a book. It quickly went away because its draconian as shit. I'm not ashamed to buy weed or alcohol, or look at porn, but I still don't want to create a written record every time I d…

>I still don't want to create a written record every time I do it. What I couldn't understand about this scenario (regardless of the product being purchased) is... how does it possibly get tracked? Like can't I just drive across town to the other grocery store and buy more cold meds there? How on earth is the state (???) collecting and reconciling paper records in the 21st century? The likely answer is that they aren…

You seem to underestimate the power of OCR. Or even more probably, the standards around any type of controlled thing. Buy yourself a copy of the NCPDP Telecommunications Standard if you want to see how prescriptions for controlled substances are electronically handled.

It's databases all the way down, me hearty.

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Post by dbfx »

_irfu wrote: post #509
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Yea go tell that to someone actually living in a third world country. How out of touch and spoiled can you be?

go to any impoverished town or neighborhood in any part of the USA and see for yourself: the running water is undrinkable, the food will slowly kill you, education is severely lacking, etc.

Please stop reading reddit for your own good

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Post by rootusrootus »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #626
laserlight wrote: post #597

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Compulsive Sexual Behaviour Disorder is not an addiction. The Wikipedia article that you cited begins with the following sentence: “Pornography addiction is the popular but unscientific[5] application of an addiction model to the use of pornography.” [5] Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2018...

I'd love to stop believing in it but it's destroyed a large part of my life. The issue with defining it as an addiction is more of a question of separating from other compulsive issues than not recognising the compulsive issues of the thing itself. Yes, I understand there's a difference between compulsion and addiction but I'd expect the users of Hacker News to understand enough about how the dopamine system works to…

> I'd love to stop believing in it but it's destroyed a large part of my life.

With all due respect, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you destroyed a large part of your life? It seems like you're blaming porn, as if everyone who is exposed to it becomes addicted. Is it like heroin? Or is it more like alcohol, where many people consume it without becoming addicted, but a few people ruin their lives over it?

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