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IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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IBM as a company barely makes sense at all at this point. They are a very large and a former tech company that mostly coasts along on doing expensive consulting projects around me-too clones of things that other people have invented just so they can still pretend to be a tech company. So you can do things with AI, cloud, and databases with them. But they aren't really leaders in any of that for a long time. And havin…

> IBM as a company barely makes sense at all at this point.

I started my career at IBM in the 1980s. My dad worked there before me.

It's impossible to convey how much hubris existed in the company then, at the peak of the "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM" days. IBM was a god.

The company had never laid off a single employee. The talk was that the R&D divisions had multiple generations of innovative tech up their sleeves and if any competitor ever got close, well they'd just pop something out like from a vending machine to kick their ass. I believed it.

It became obvious when the company started losing the PC market that things weren't actually that rosey at all, and there were serious issues.

Later it became obvious that the company was turning into a consulting company instead of a technology company and the glory days were well over.

Nothing's changed since then. Things have only gone from bad from worse for IBM.

My point - nothing really but disagreement with this observation.

IBM still makes sense, as a dying beast but with customers that can still be milked. As long as those customers can be mikled, IBM will continue to make sense.

Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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IBM as a company barely makes sense at all at this point. They are a very large and a former tech company that mostly coasts along on doing expensive consulting projects around me-too clones of things that other people have invented just so they can still pretend to be a tech company. So you can do things with AI, cloud, and databases with them. But they aren't really leaders in any of that for a long time. And havin…

IBM is a bunch of businesses, some of which still likely make sense -- their mainframe hardware line (S/360 successors, currently branded as z/System), and associated products, are still actively developed, and very likely profitable, considered on their own. But that may not be enough to carry the rest of the business.

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Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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I mean, are they wrong? Elon promised coast-to-coast summoning in 2016 with a time horizon of two years! there were supposed to be a million telsa robotaxis by the end of 2020! Like, putting aside everything else, it had to have been very obvious internally that neither of those goals were plausible in that timeframe without miracles happening.

It's completely off topic and very culty to bring up Musk in a thread about IBM.

Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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They spun off only Global Technology Services, which was only IT infrastructure consulting. Most of the business consulting, including outsourcing software engineering, is still with IBM.

So they're a consulting company now? I know they got rid of OS's and laptops a while back; I assume they don't make or service mainframes/minicomputers anymore. Do they do any software/hardware development, or is it all consulting?

I think they still have mainframes, but that's a few years ago that I'm remembering.

Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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This is just using the AI hype as cover to not get slammed by the markets. If they came out and said "We are pausing hiring..." the markets would rightly be like "Man they are screwed..." Expect to see more of this from zombie companies in the future, as long as they spend $20/mo on a ChatGPT subscription somewhere they are probably not violating SEC disclosures either.

Yes, they have done things like this before. IBM is good at PR.

What else are they good at?

Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They spun off only Global Technology Services, which was only IT infrastructure consulting. Most of the business consulting, including outsourcing software engineering, is still with IBM.

So they're a consulting company now? I know they got rid of OS's and laptops a while back; I assume they don't make or service mainframes/minicomputers anymore. Do they do any software/hardware development, or is it all consulting?

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Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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post #74

This is just using the AI hype as cover to not get slammed by the markets. If they came out and said "We are pausing hiring..." the markets would rightly be like "Man they are screwed..." Expect to see more of this from zombie companies in the future, as long as they spend $20/mo on a ChatGPT subscription somewhere they are probably not violating SEC disclosures either.

Dropbox gave more or less the same excuse a week ago...

Re: IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI

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That is the case for companies that overhired during the bull market. IBM, on the other hand, has been losing employee counts steadily for over a decade. If a company that people are expecting to be losing relevance does a layoff, it’s still not a good sign.

I don't even properly know what IBM is now that they spun a bunch of things off. I guess they tossed all the services/consulting into Kyndryl and everything else got to stay blue.

IBM has acquired Red Hat, UStream, Alchemy, Cloudant, SoftLayer, Vivisimo, Blekko, and a lot of other companies. They have, in fact, almost everything needed to build anything the FAANG companies are building.

The missing pieces (in my subjective opinion) are: (1) happy AND talented employees and (2) a rapid execution culture.

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