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Re: Mercury OS

#151

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I presume that if this got beyond some pretty sketches there would eventually be some kind of way to install new "verbs" and "nouns" and "modules", maybe even a place to go exchange money for interrelated collections of these things... How this would differ from "I downloaded Plunko 3D from the App Store" remains to be seen.

Sure, but what does that look like under this OS? The mock-ups don’t show anything more complicated Han messaging apps. Other comments have stated that this is some student project of some sort. Like many other projects of this type it has failed to consider what most people actually do during the course of their jobs. Worse, it ignores what ‘nerds’ do on their computer while posting on a ‘nerd site’.

Oh yeah, all of that's very much undefined. Every attempt at a "humane" interface inspired by Raskin's post-Macintosh work always stops well before getting to that point.

There may be a much better world of human-computer interaction lurking in these sorts of ideas but getting out of forty* years of refinement of the window-icon-mouse-pointer paradigm, and forty years of building all sorts of tools and toys within it that are not designed to be decomposed into separate actions usable in any context, is a huge effort.

Or there may not, I feel like people have kept trying to do stuff like this over and over again and we just keep on ending up back in the world of monolithic apps that are entire toolsheds worth of tools, each with their own way to do the same things.

* or more, I am counting from the release of the original Macintosh, please feel free to add on sixteen more years if you'd prefer to count from Englebart's Mother Of All Demos, or forty more if Vannevar Bush's Xanadu feels like the place to put a stake in the sands of time and say "modern computing methods began here".

Re: Mercury OS

#152

This looks like the exact opposite of what I would do if I were to redesign operating systems. The job of operating system is just to run application and get out of the way, and most importantly be deterministic and reliable. I don't need my OS to "predict what I might need", I know what I need myself.

> This looks like the exact opposite of what I would do if I were to redesign operating systems

Me too but to be fair, we would probably call this a desktop environment, not an OS. It's a shell that could run on top of Windows, MacOS or Linux. Data could be stored in a standard filesystem or a database and managed by the shell and presented to users as "content and actions [...] fluidly assembled based on your intentions"

Re: Mercury OS

#153
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I have the opposite problem. If I open too many Windows, the Windows window manager starts glitching out. When I open an app, it doesn't always come to the front and I have to go alt-tab through dozens of windows to find it. (Sometimes it ends up at the bottom, so alt-shift-tab switches to it... but sometimes it ends up in the middle ...) Also if I open too many windows, opening Windows explorer takes 1-2 or more sec…

Why are you still relying on alt+tab in 2023? I haven't touched a windows for more than 5 minutes in a long time, aren't there a function to show all windows like in most Linux DE and Mac OS ?

I disable that functionality on Gnome. Alt-tab to a terminal and alt-tab back to the editor is much faster that displaying all windows and clicking on the one I want to go to. Even two or three alt-tabs are faster than that. Furthermore alt-tab don't move the screen. It only raises a window on top of the other. Everything is still. The Gnome way is to move everything on the screen and move it back to the original place. I don't suffer from motion sickness but windows should stay put where I placed them.

Re: Mercury OS

#154

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They’re not redesigning an OS. They are describing a theoretical UI. This is about as close to designing an operating system as drawing a front cover is to writing a book.

This is yet another thing that non-techies sincerely don't care about. For them, it is the OS. Now you can walk around telling every grandma that they should not refer to it as OS, but you will unlikely succeed in that mission. Accept it...

Non-techies don’t wouldn’t even have heard the term OS before, let alone know whether the post above is an OS or not.

But we are technical people talking about OS design. So I don’t really understand your point.

Re: Mercury OS

#155

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This is yet another thing that non-techies sincerely don't care about. For them, it is the OS. Now you can walk around telling every grandma that they should not refer to it as OS, but you will unlikely succeed in that mission. Accept it...

Non-techies don’t wouldn’t even have heard the term OS before, let alone know whether the post above is an OS or not. But we are technical people talking about OS design. So I don’t really understand your point.

"Operating system" is a frequent term in the news. I don't know where you are from.

My point is that you produced dozens of paragraphs about terminology but added zero value to the actual discussion and all that while totally understanding what others actually meant.

Re: Mercury OS

#156

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Non-techies don’t wouldn’t even have heard the term OS before, let alone know whether the post above is an OS or not. But we are technical people talking about OS design. So I don’t really understand your point.

"Operating system" is a frequent term in the news. I don't know where you are from. My point is that you produced dozens of paragraphs about terminology but added zero value to the actual discussion and all that while totally understanding what others actually meant.

> “Operating system" is a frequent term in the news. I don't know where you are from.

Tech news sure. But not in average peoples news. Or at the very most, only on special tech segments. Either way, definitely not frequent.

> My point is that you produced dozens of paragraphs about terminology but added zero value to the actual discussion

I was discussing the complexities of writing hardware drivers after it was stated that it’s easier than UIs.

Where’s the value in your comments here? You are adding nothing, just arguing for the sake of arguing.

> all that while totally understanding what others actually meant.

“Misunderstanding” I assume you meant (given the context of your comments). Either way, and as I said to the other commenter (though I’m not convinced you two aren’t shill accounts for the same person given your writing styles are the same), I did understand. I just disagreed and cited some experience I had to back up my points of view.

I don’t really understand your problem here. This is a tech forum and we are talking about operating system development. Yet you’re begrudging me having a technical conversation about operating system development.

Re: Mercury OS

#157
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.... so from MBA that also doesn't know browser tabs exist. Also OS doesn't fix any of that, especially for the webapps as they tend to not integrate well with anything else

That’s not fair. Context switching often involves a lot more than opening up another tab. And even if it’s not a problem for you, maybe it’s a problem for other people? Or you in the future? Maybe what I just outlined doesn’t require a new OS but acknowledging the problem seems in line with accepting the most charitable interpretation.

Right. What helps(me) is 12 virtual desktops, one per app so I am single keybind away from anything I need. Not.... whatever this idea is.

I went over the years pretty much from full fledged GNOME/KDE thru light alternatives (XFCE), all the way to nerded out i3 tiling manager + tilda console for the ad-hoc stuff like CLI calculator. And cute little script to display list of .pcap files in /tmp and open wireshark on chosen one coz that's handy for the job

I just observed that most of the usage is "switch between a bunch of full screen apps + starting those" so I cut out the fat.

I don't need icons on desktop, I don't see it most of the day, apps are ran from alt+f2 launcher, few common apps got their own shortcuts, and I have some keybinds to move them between the desktops in that once a month case I need this app on different desktop than usual.

I3 matches apps to desktops by name so if I press caps_lock or hyper_l + 2 I always get firefox, if I press +4 I always get IDEA etc.

I do realize that's custom customization most people won't bother to do but "distraction-less" OS should aim to do exactly that, get out of the way as much as possible from someone's chosen workflow, not try to shoehorn its own one, and one that seems to love idea of wasting space and minimum information density

I would enjoy some "omni-menu" that is smart enough to figure out whether I want to

* run an app * run unit conversion/calculator * search my stuff * have some shortcuts to add calendar event or todo element or "open ms teams (company cursed me with it) and call person X"

But any existing ones seem to care about look more than functionality and information density so `rofi` is enough.

And that office-adjacent app developers (mostly Microsoft, but Google isn't blameless) stop making integration of anything harder and harder, so stuff that should be nice and easy decades ago (like calendars and todo working from any app) isn't shit.

Re: Mercury OS

#158
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God, the fact that stealing focus still exists in 2023 is maddening. Please just let me open windows and apps in the background while I continue to work uninterrupted in the main focus window in the foreground. Even web browsers let you open tabs in the background, why haven’t OS’s caught up to the yet. That said, I like the concept of this OS design. It reminds me a little of the theoretical concept behind Star Trek…

I have the opposite problem. If I open too many Windows, the Windows window manager starts glitching out. When I open an app, it doesn't always come to the front and I have to go alt-tab through dozens of windows to find it. (Sometimes it ends up at the bottom, so alt-shift-tab switches to it... but sometimes it ends up in the middle ...) Also if I open too many windows, opening Windows explorer takes 1-2 or more sec…

I still have no fucking idea how alt-tab logic works in windows. It's definitely not in order of recency...

Search function in window names would also be nice... I swear that shit haven't progressed in windows since '95

Re: Mercury OS

#159

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God, the fact that stealing focus still exists in 2023 is maddening. Please just let me open windows and apps in the background while I continue to work uninterrupted in the main focus window in the foreground. Even web browsers let you open tabs in the background, why haven’t OS’s caught up to the yet. That said, I like the concept of this OS design. It reminds me a little of the theoretical concept behind Star Trek…

Focus stealing 100% has a place, just not on app launch and while you're typing. Since switching to Wayland, which doesn't allow focus stealing, I keep thinking apps have frozen when a popup shows up in the background.

Not for me. It's by far the most annoying thing any OS can do, especially that (I think?) every single fucking one have not figured out that it is NEVER desirable to steal focus from app user is currently typing into

In I3 at least it just highlights window and workspace if it is not on currently active workspace, instead of switching focus, so you know app wants something but don't get diverter.

Only thing that should be able to is app that you're using opening another window. There is no case focus stealing of different app is desirable and couldn't be just a notification.

Re: Mercury OS

#160
I’m skeptical about scaling this approach to accomplish real work.

Could Mercury OS be used to write the HTML pages describing Mercury Os? What about the UX design? What about coding for it?

It seems that for anything non trivial like this the whole métaphore collapses.

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