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Post by selfmodruntime »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #236
selfmodruntime wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time and time again. You are protected in your speech from the government . Commercial law does and will still apply. Arbitrary company decisions happen all the time, and GitHub makes it clear that they won’t refrain from deleting repos for whatever reason.

In general it's certainly true that private internet companies are not bound by the USA first ammendment in that way, and routinely "censor" speech, I agree. Including for things that they think will be bad PR for them, or will be legally risky for them. But. > GitHub makes it clear that they won’t refrain from deleting repos for whatever reason. What actions or speech do you think Github has taken that makes that cl…

> What actions or speech do you think Github has taken that makes that clear?

Github has deleted Iranian / Russian / etc. Repos before purely for political reasons. GitHub belongs to Microsoft, and Microsoft has a stake in OpenAI. Seems like a reason to me.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by otterley »

user3939382 wrote: post #237
krapp wrote: post #169

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>In practice we see in the Twitter files, the new rule is that government agencies are free to send takedown requests to social media platforms for speech that disagrees with our (abhorrent) foreign policy. Where in the Twitter files did it show that social media platforms would be punished with jail time or violence or anything if they refused to obey the government's orders? Because unless you can demonstrate the g…

Twitter didn’t need any additional pressure beyond what’s monumentally implicit, they had an FBI spook running the other side inside Twitter. Not to mention that the requests constituted a gross 1st amendment violation.

> Not to mention that the requests constituted a gross 1st amendment violation.

IAAL and am unaware of any case law that holds that the mere act of requesting material be removed from publication is a First Amendment violation.

Do you have any case law to cite?

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by numlock86 »

sschueller wrote: post #233
numlock86 wrote: post #60

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What part of "private API" is the one you don't understand? We could elaborate.

My website is private. If you visit it I will sue you. If someone bypasses authentication I understand but if your api is open on the public internet on purpose, you don't get to randomly declare what's private and what isn't.

> mycoolsite.com is the same as mycoolsite.com/api/bb8d4cc4-1453-473b-8594-95db0f41877d/3c9242b8-2394-48c1-9643-618ca38eb13d for which you'll also need these dozen parameters and custom headers for, which there is no public documentation for

Whoo whoo, go easy on the straw man, man.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by jrochkind1 »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #241
jrochkind1 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general it's certainly true that private internet companies are not bound by the USA first ammendment in that way, and routinely "censor" speech, I agree. Including for things that they think will be bad PR for them, or will be legally risky for them. But. > GitHub makes it clear that they won’t refrain from deleting repos for whatever reason. What actions or speech do you think Github has taken that makes that cl…

> What actions or speech do you think Github has taken that makes that clear? Github has deleted Iranian / Russian / etc. Repos before purely for political reasons. GitHub belongs to Microsoft, and Microsoft has a stake in OpenAI. Seems like a reason to me.

By purely political reasons, do you mean to comply with US law? Those are the only cases I can find [1] [2] [3]. Or if there are other cases, I'd love to see a link to more info!

I don't like the US law much either, personally. I just don't consider a US corporation complying with US law to be a demonstration they will do arbitrary things for "any reason", it's sort of the default I expect from corporations and very predictable. If there's an example of a US corporation that chose to intentionally violate those sanction laws as an ethical stance, I'd love to find out more about that, and the outcome, too! I would imagine they would be penalized by the US government.

Microsoft was in fact recently so penalized [4], but I don't think it had anything to do with github, and I definitely don't think it was an ethical stance, just a mistake/profit-motivated one, or because these laws are a mess and hard to comply with. But I expect US corporations to try to comply with US laws, and don't consider doing so to be arbitrary or unpredictable "any reason".

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-starts-blocking-develop...

[2] https://github.blog/2019-09-12-global-software-collaboration...

[3] https://techweez.com/2022/04/18/github-suspending-accounts-r...

[4] https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1394

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by mock-possum »

gumballindie wrote: post #209
mock-possum wrote: post #207

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who's 'we,' white man? I've never been billed.

> white man? Eh? > I've never been billed. Curious how much people's bills are inflated by ai crawlers constantly sucking their data and how much in revenue is lost since traffic is not brought to their websites. And since there's no way to stop this theft, since most of them don't honor robots.txt, people are forced to remove content. Perhaps those charged for bandwidth are losing some dime right now.

Sorry that’s my bad, I forget not everyone knows that reference.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by jrochkind1 »

mkishi wrote: post #189
jrochkind1 wrote: post #170

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Hm, good point, I think of "takedown notice" as being about the DMCA, because I never heard that term at all before the DMCA, I think of it as a term of art from DMCA. But people could be using it differently or mis-using it. However, this is on Github. Github specifically has a "DMCA Takedown Policy" [1]. I don't believe they have any other policy or procedure involving a "takedown notice". But sure, I could be wron…

From the submission (the repo's readme): > We got a takedown request by openai's legal team... Did Github take a separate action somewhere?

Good point! This was all confusing.

> Xtekky initially told me that he hadn't decided whether to take the repo down or not. However, several hours after this story first published, we chatted again and he told me that he plans to keep the repo up and to tell OpenAI that, if they want it taken down, they should file a formal request with GitHub instead of with him.

> "I believe they contacted me before to pressurize me into deleting the repo myself," he said. "But the right way should be an actual official DMCA, through GitHub."

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/openai-sends-shutdown-lett...

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by hohg »

mock-possum wrote: post #207
gumballindie wrote: post #51

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> Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... A bit like we are footing the bill for openai's training data.

who's 'we,' white man? I've never been billed.

The phrase "Who's 'we,' white man?" is a reference to a scene in the 1991 film "Grand Canyon." In the scene, a wealthy white man tries to help a stranded African American man in a dangerous part of town. The African American man responds to the white man's offer of help with the question "Who's 'we,' white man?" which is a critique of the white man's assumption that they are part of the same group. The phrase has since been used in various contexts to challenge assumptions of shared identity or experience.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by hohg »

xtekky wrote: post #217
transitivebs wrote: post #75

I was also given a takedown notice by OpenAI for the ChatGPT twitter bot github repo: https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-twitter-bot This was ~2 months ago, and I'm fortunate enough to have a direct contact at OpenAI who I complained to. He came back promptly and told me it was a mistake and the takedown notice was retracted. I also changed the twitter bot's logo to be purple instead of green to avoid fut…

Hi, would you able to contact me on discord? tekky#1810 I am looking for a solution.

You're going to be paying financial damages for the rest of your life.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by williamstein »

They put my site https://cocalc.com, which has chatgpt API integration, into this gpt4free. As a result, I had to modify https://cocalc.com to require sign in before providing the ChatGPT functionality to visitors, and I also explicitly updated our terms of service to clarify how our API can be used. I made a pull request https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/pull/461 to Gpt4free to have them remove cocalc. They were respectful, with some discussion back and forth, and they merged the PR. I personally don't think that Gpt4free should be taken down, so long as they respect the explicit requests of projects they proxy. They were certainly respectful with cocalc.
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