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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by orev »

ActorNightly wrote: post #21
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

You can’t outrun a bad diet. It takes a lot of exercise to burn off excess calories, and virtually no effort to simply not consume them. I understand that health is more than just calories, and you can come to the same conclusion about other bad things like trans fats, alcohol, etc.

If someone had to choose only one thing to do for health, a healthy diet is far more important than exercise.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by t-writescode »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #38
jimbob45 wrote: post #15

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Couldn't agree more. Seems like a lot of people on here think that low-income earners eat off of the McD's dollar menu by choice.

Beans, rice, eggs and oats are cheaper, healthier and quicker than Mcdonalds. (Rice is not quicker). If McDonals were the only choice they wouldn't be spending millions on advertising.

They're also more emotionally taxing to create, and come with several externalities that aren't baked in to the price of the dollar menu:

  * dish washing (do they even have dishes?)
  * power usage of stove
  * time to clean up
  * a singular, large lump of time to go out and buy all those food
  * the necessary mental spoons to plan those numerous meals each week
  * a refridgerator that works (mine is currently broken, for example)
  * a willingness to accept the cost of losing a lot of food when the fridge inevitably breaks
And so on

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by fsdjkflsjfsoij »

t-writescode wrote: post #43
algoatecorn wrote: post #40

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Let's be intellectually honest here. It's not victim blaming to point out that "can't" isn't reasonable language. Life is hard. Doesn't mean we "can't" have some control over these variables. As I said, there are edge cases that deserve sympathy but they don't represent the bulk of scenarios.

> there are edge cases that deserve sympathy but they don't represent the bulk of scenarios. You say this, but you also say, "Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits" 70% and "most of 70%" are still either a majority or at the very least a plurality; so, I have to strongly disagree that they don't represent the bulk of the scenarios. Is your argument that most people are lazy and s…

> Is your argument that most people are lazy

Yes most adults are extremely lazy and undisciplined.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by sudosysgen »

orev wrote: post #51
ActorNightly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

You can’t outrun a bad diet. It takes a lot of exercise to burn off excess calories, and virtually no effort to simply not consume them. I understand that health is more than just calories, and you can come to the same conclusion about other bad things like trans fats, alcohol, etc. If someone had to choose only one thing to do for health, a healthy diet is far more important than exercise.

While you can't easily burn off excess calories, a good amount of muscle mass can significantly increase your metabolic rate as well, so there are effects from repeated exercise beyond just calorie consumption.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by lockhouse »

t-writescode wrote: post #31
algoatecorn wrote: post #26

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If you put diet, exercise, sleep, and social support on a sliding scale, can you honestly say that you're doing everything in your power to maximize each one? I don't know your personal details, but most people who think this way are not actually trying their hardest in each category. Sure, some small percentage is going to face monumental challenges. But look at the data in the US for example. 70% of our deaths are…

> Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits And yet they don't, so it suggests to me that "it's not that simple". It's better to imagine that people _are_ doing what they can and it's still not enough, so rather than victim blaming, we can discover what's actually going on in these people's lives that's stopping their ability to reach it. Are they so downtrodden that it's not worth t…

I think for a lot of people it is that simple. Doing what’s right for your health is more difficult and requires sacrifice.

Dopamine is easy to get from doom scrolling on your phone, watching Netflix, or playing video games. You don’t even have to leave your chair. Exercise is hard. It requires you to exert yourself and it requires training over time to see tangible results.

Same thing with food. Going through a McDonald’s drive through is easy and the salt, fat, and sugar taste good to most of us. Cracking open a cook book, putting together a shopping list, and going to the grocery store is hard. It requires planning, it requires thought. Then you have to come home and cook the food, which requires even more effort. If you cook something healthy, it won’t be loaded up with all the salt, fat, and sugar that people have become accustomed to.

Getting enough sleep requires discipline and sacrificing time. Time you could be spending doing activities that release dopamine, such as playing video games, or watching videos.

Developing a healthy social support network is difficult too. It’s easy to post things or like things on Facebook or Hacker News. It’s much more difficult to get out there and be part of clubs or doing group activities and meeting and engaging with people in the real world. You have to leave your house. You have to put yourself out there and be a little bit vulnerable. It’s particularly hard if you’re an introvert. Nurturing strong family relationships takes a lot of effort too. You have to be the mean parent that kicks your kids off video games to play board games or go on a nature hike together. It’s a lot easier to let a screen babysit them all day.

I’m only talking about middle and upper class social dynamics of course. I’ve been fortunate enough to never experience poverty or food insecurity. I’m sure it’s not nearly that simple for people in that situation.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by mft_ »

ActorNightly wrote: post #21
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

I'm not disagreeing that aerobic exercise is important and beneficial, but to add: there is also data correlating other exercise behaviours (stretching, strength training) with positive health and longevity outcomes. Also, quite significant benefits can be achieved via HIIT, which is anything but aerobic.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by o_____________o »

Swizec wrote: post #39
ActorNightly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

Don’t forget all the evidence suggesting adult neurogenesis specifically from running. As for VO2max, Levitt had a longevity researcher on his podcast who found that a high VO2max (used as a proxy measure) is causally related with higher impacts on 5 year all cause mortality than smoking. In the good direction. As in: being in shape reduces your risk of death more than smoking increases it. Sauce: https://freakonomic…

Figured that would be Peter Attia.

https://peterattiamd.com/podcast/

His podcast is amazing but can be dense and technical at times. He's evidence based and would probably fit in with the HN crowd.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by graypegg »

ActorNightly wrote: post #21
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

I can totally vouch for this in my valueless opinion study of n=1.

I’ve always eaten “a little bad” diet. I don’t think I eat too much, and I keep things mostly balanced, but I tend to eat quite late, and carbs and calories was always something I’d just take down without considering totals for a day or week.

Was totally fine when I was walking to work every day, and doing a lot outside.

Early COVID era, with the same diet, I started ticking up in weight, and wasn’t feeling great. Once adding more exercise to my routine I slowly returned to my baseline. Maybe I could be doing better with a better diet, but I was kind of shocked by how much of an effect ~1hr of walking a day had on me.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by decodebytes »

david2ndaccount wrote: post #49
ActorNightly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

Cycling has its own risks as it can reduce bone density if you cycle instead of walking or other forms of exercise.

How much Cycling do you have to do for that to become a credible risk though? I am imaging quite a bit more than a daily commute.
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