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Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

I was walking 10+ miles every day when I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer, which means it was growing pretty much the entire time I was exercising. It’s not just Diet, exercise and sleep (and proper eating). Some of it is just plain luck.

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

#42

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

I was walking 10+ miles every day when I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer, which means it was growing pretty much the entire time I was exercising. It’s not just Diet, exercise and sleep (and proper eating). Some of it is just plain luck.

I'm sorry to hear that. Theoretically, it could have progressed faster if you hadn't exercised?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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> Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits And yet they don't, so it suggests to me that "it's not that simple". It's better to imagine that people _are_ doing what they can and it's still not enough, so rather than victim blaming, we can discover what's actually going on in these people's lives that's stopping their ability to reach it. Are they so downtrodden that it's not worth t…

Let's be intellectually honest here. It's not victim blaming to point out that "can't" isn't reasonable language. Life is hard. Doesn't mean we "can't" have some control over these variables. As I said, there are edge cases that deserve sympathy but they don't represent the bulk of scenarios.

> there are edge cases that deserve sympathy but they don't represent the bulk of scenarios.

You say this, but you also say, "Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits"

70% and "most of 70%" are still either a majority or at the very least a plurality; so, I have to strongly disagree that they don't represent the bulk of the scenarios.

Is your argument that most people are lazy and should suck it up and get over it and fix themselves?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

#44

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

I was walking 10+ miles every day when I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer, which means it was growing pretty much the entire time I was exercising. It’s not just Diet, exercise and sleep (and proper eating). Some of it is just plain luck.

Sorry that sucks and is doubly frustrating when you are doing everything right. Sort of the inverse of Richard Overton who would chain smoke cigars and drink Irish coffee well into his 100s.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

#45
im not surprised

i've always opposed the "you're sick therefore you should rest" advice, your lymph nodes are mechanical pumps, maybe you shouldn't go run 10 miles or do heavy lifting but definitely walk around or ride a bike if you feel up to it

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

Don’t forget all the evidence suggesting adult neurogenesis specifically from running. As for VO2max, Levitt had a longevity researcher on his podcast who found that a high VO2max (used as a proxy measure) is causally related with higher impacts on 5 year all cause mortality than smoking. In the good direction. As in: being in shape reduces your risk of death more than smoking increases it. Sauce: https://freakonomic…

It's not just a longterm effect of VO2max improvements, which is a physiological metric that is quite slow to improve and realistically has upper limits based on your age and sex. It's also that aerobic exercise acutely improves brain function. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9256523/#:~:tex...

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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post #23

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

"Social support structure" is often at odds with diet, exercise, and enough sleep.

Not sure about that. A few social activities are negative (nightlife, eating out maybe), but most seem to be neutral to me (hanging out, gaming, religion), and it's pretty easy to find positive activities (walking/hiking, sports, climbing).

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

#49

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

Cycling has its own risks as it can reduce bone density if you cycle instead of walking or other forms of exercise.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

#50
post #9

Improving the odds is a great idea. But it's naive to think these are cures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Fox was in better shape than most people despite having lost a leg to cancer. He died age 22.

Little weird to reply with a specific incident. I didn’t see anywhere this was broadcasted as a cure.

The top comment is currently saying that diet, exercise, and a good social network are basically a cure-all to all issues in western society. I'm being a bit reductive but so is the comment.
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