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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by mdorazio »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #467
Aachen wrote: post #432

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Then we should also ban any material that contains violence until there are no more homicides. Just watching, or even enacting (as in violent games), violence doesn't make them violent beings. Why would this other outlet lead to more real-world sexual assault? I understand why one might think it a priori (without having evidence either way), but we do have evidence: the reality we live in where, to my knowledge, it h…

To respond to your edit here are some general statistics about sexual assault in the US: https://legaljobs.io/blog/sexual-assault-statistics/ In terms of increase with the availability of pornography, take a look at this chart: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible... You can see that the number of rape reports have almost doubled since the invention of web pornography.

> You can see that the number of rape reports have almost doubled since the invention of web pornography.

This is the worst case of cherry picking data I've seen in a long time. First, if your supposition is true then why would the number have dropped with the rise of internet pornography from the late 90s all the way through 2012? Second, what's the per-capita rate instead of absolute number? Third, what other confounding factors are there (did the reporting method stay the same)? This chart tells me nothing except that something weird happened after 2012 and that's it.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by yamtaddle »

freedomben wrote: post #668
mrweasel wrote: post #469

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Isn't the US still the world largest producer of porn? Honestly we (Europeans) make the same mistake the Americans do in regards to us, we view the US as one homogeneous mass. The difference between states seems like it's often as great as between European nations. I'd be less concerned about the laws of the individual state, if companies did target the lowest common denominator for the entire US, just to make busine…

Yes you have it correct. When introducing myself to Europeans now I've started saying the state I'm from, such as "I'm from the state of Idaho in the US". Utah is a different state/place than Idaho (see liquor laws, state lottery) and both are very different than California or New York. They're almost like different countries in some ways, especially over the last 10 or so years. Not too long ago you could pretty muc…

If every half-serious scheme for dividing the US didn't end up stranding some parts or splitting control of the Mississippi, I bet we'd have amicably split in two several decades ago, if not back in the 19th century.

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Post by scarface74 »

yamtaddle wrote: post #755
scarface74 wrote: post #503

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Yes and forcing people to show ID has really stopped underaged drinking and making drugs illegal have stopped people from smoking weed.

"These are very effective but not perfectly effective" is the lamest possible "gotcha!" in these kinds of discussions.

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/teens.html

> In 2019, 37% of US high school students reported lifetime use of marijuana and 22% reported use in the past 30 days.1 Past-year vaping of marijuana also remained steady in 2020 following large increases in 2018 and 2019. However, large percentages of middle and high school students reported past-year marijuana vaping—8% of eighth graders, 19% of 10th graders, and 22% of 12th graders.

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Post by yamtaddle »

mattpallissard wrote: post #680
tenacious_tuna wrote: post #520

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tldr: if your kid keeps breaking the rules, ramping up enforcement is not going to change that for the same reasons that punitive punishment in the judicial system is not effective. Your kid has to understand why the rules are if they're ever going to function well within them, and that also requires a level of parental compassion and understanding that often isn't present. > If your son keeps braking the rules you'v…

> if your kid keeps breaking the rules, ramping up enforcement is not going to change that I can't speak for all children, but I have five of them and this works pretty damned well in most circumstances.

Can confirm, it's very effective.

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Post by tristor »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #767
pkulak wrote: post #749

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Theocracies can be elected. I fail to see how your definition of a theocracy automatically disqualifies Utah from being an "effective theocracy".

> Theocracies can be elected. No, they can't, at least not by a general citizenship against a general pool of candidates. The Vatican's citizens don't get to elect the pope, and among those few who do vote, they can't choose a Bhuddist to be Pope. > I fail to see how your definition of a theocracy automatically disqualifies Utah from being an "effective theocracy". Well,I think you have to try really, really hard, no…

>> Theocracies can be elected.

> No, they can't

Why not? The vast majority of people in Utah are Mormon, and people in high positions within the LDS Church often go into state and local politics and elected, precisely because they will enact policies that align with the moral tenets of the Mormon religion...

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Post by shrimpx »

phatboyslim wrote: post #736

Pornography, social media, 24/7 news... will all be looked back on in history as having profound negative mental health effects, akin to how we today view smoking in the 1950s. There is a mountain of growing evidence that this is verifiably true. The exact means that Utah is using to provide ID check may be for debate, but the concept there should be an age restriction, liable to the ISP or the content provider, shou…

How much liability should go to parents? There are myriad tools on the market for blocking porn on devices.

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Post by PathOfEclipse »

tristor wrote: post #776
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #767

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> Theocracies can be elected. No, they can't, at least not by a general citizenship against a general pool of candidates. The Vatican's citizens don't get to elect the pope, and among those few who do vote, they can't choose a Bhuddist to be Pope. > I fail to see how your definition of a theocracy automatically disqualifies Utah from being an "effective theocracy". Well,I think you have to try really, really hard, no…

>> Theocracies can be elected. > No, they can't Why not? The vast majority of people in Utah are Mormon, and people in high positions within the LDS Church often go into state and local politics and elected, precisely because they will enact policies that align with the moral tenets of the Mormon religion...

> people in high positions within the LDS Church often go into state and local politics and elect

Yep. That's called a democracy, or a Republic, depending on which word you prefer. It's literally nothing like a Theocracy, in practice or in theory.

You should probably study what an actual theocracy is: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/theocracy...

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Post by erenyeager »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #583
laserlight wrote: post #568

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Here's the first sentence of the Wikipedia article: > Pornography addiction is the popular but unscientific[5] application of an addiction model to the use of pornography. [5] Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2018...

Yes, I read the article and the sentences which followed the first. I was referring you to the references below it. See this comment about the difficulty of getting pornography addiction recognised in the DSM: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35790536 It's more of an issue of classifying it separately from other sexual disorders than recognising the addictive potential of pornography itself. I myself have been ad…

Thanks for recognizing this problem, really online support groups helped so much when it seemed so much of common society didn’t know or care about these issues.

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Post by tristor »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #769
cogitoergofutuo wrote: post #745

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Have you spent much time in Utah? Off the top of my head I can’t think of an organization that could be considered an even distant second to the LDS church in terms of influence over policies brought to and enacted by the elected officials in that state.

It's a constitutional republic that got taken over by a 51% attack that, thanks in part to FPTP elections, they've leveraged into a supermajority.

> It's a constitutional republic that got taken over by a 51% attack

It's a state that was literally created to be a place for Mormons because they were a persecuted religious minority ran out of every other state and it was a huge desert wasteland nobody else wanted. It's only due to huge influxes of immigration, especially from the South, that Utah is... checks notes only 85% white and 60% Mormon.

So it's like less of a 51% attack and more, business as usual and intended. If anything, the non-Mormons are going to soon be able to do a 51% attack and take Utah back, since Mormons are only 2% of the US population, and Californians are mass migrating to Utah now that people realized you can build in the desert with modern technology.

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