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Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by levifig »

rozenmd wrote: post #72
vlovich123 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth when I was TL I would regularly hang out on discord and answer questions for R2. I believe the team still does that and the community itself also answers a lot of questions. Now that I TL Workers KV I do the same in that chat room. There’s also the community forums although I find it’s harder to stay on top of those personally. Not trying to say our paygo support is as good. Just saying for those…

The Cloudflare Discord is where it's at.

Can vouch for this. The Discord support, aside from specific account/platform problems, has been most helpful and super friendly, both community members and staff.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

moomoo11 wrote: post #106

Am I the only Luddite who Deploys Go app containers. Pick a cloud. Use whatever they offer. Deploys static JS to cdn Calls it a day. I really do not understand these tools. Who is using them? I’ve built and worked on apps used by millions of people. Really don’t understand where the benefit is or if people are just over complicating basic things to extract money from chump developers?

This whole new dx based industry is because sub par JavaScript developers who write bloated electron apps have flooded the market. Nobody wants to come out and say this but that's the truth. Measuring costs are not part of their mindset when it comes to either memory usage or billing. So they can be charged overpriced rates as long as there is a big button which says deploy.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by vlakreeh »

moomoo11 wrote: post #106

Am I the only Luddite who Deploys Go app containers. Pick a cloud. Use whatever they offer. Deploys static JS to cdn Calls it a day. I really do not understand these tools. Who is using them? I’ve built and worked on apps used by millions of people. Really don’t understand where the benefit is or if people are just over complicating basic things to extract money from chump developers?

With frontend a lot of what engineers are tasked to make (highly interactive websites that still have decent SEO and time to FMP), you need to add some complexity to achieve that. SSR + hydration for web apps has been common for years because it's great for SEO and getting a fast paint and because of that we now have these super established hybrid (as in client side and server side rendered) frameworks. Sure you can implement these sites with an html file and some JS to populate it with data, but it's hardly a nice and *easily maintainable* experience when dealing with non-trivial applications.

And now that your app is using one of these frameworks, you probably need some sort of API for whatever. There's a lot to be said about designing a REST api just being exporting an JS function in a file in a /api folder or whatever. If you are already using a hosted option for these frameworks it's an incredibly simple solution that doesn't require to you mess around creating a new project, making a docker image, going to a different cloud provider and giving them your credit card, etc. And depending on your scale that might genuinely be cheaper than running a container 24/7 on a public cloud.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by carride »

vlovich123 wrote: post #69
carride wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will get better customer support from Vercel. Cloudflare gives almost zero customer support if you are pay-as-you-go plan.

For what it’s worth when I was TL I would regularly hang out on discord and answer questions for R2. I believe the team still does that and the community itself also answers a lot of questions. Now that I TL Workers KV I do the same in that chat room. There’s also the community forums although I find it’s harder to stay on top of those personally. Not trying to say our paygo support is as good. Just saying for those…

Good information. I think active community forums are essential for success of all companies and products. Cloudflare has built this up well. Though Customer support issues should be not be left without response for days or weeks, until community moderators use back-channels to get support ticket resolved. The question was why is Vercel worth paying more for, and customer support is probably one of those reasons.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by moomoo11 »

overbytecode wrote: post #119
moomoo11 wrote: post #106

Am I the only Luddite who Deploys Go app containers. Pick a cloud. Use whatever they offer. Deploys static JS to cdn Calls it a day. I really do not understand these tools. Who is using them? I’ve built and worked on apps used by millions of people. Really don’t understand where the benefit is or if people are just over complicating basic things to extract money from chump developers?

Do you deploy just the JS to a CDN or a whole website? I wanted to do something similar, throw a static website on a CDN and use a Go API as its backend. But unsure how to get around CORS in a reliable way.

You whitelist domains that can access your server (in my case I have env vars with whitelisted domains list that the Go code picks up) and that should be all you need to do.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by uceumice »

kbumsik wrote: post #112
jamesmcintyre wrote: post #87

I'm wondering why vercel chose upstash vs cloudflare kv store? I've worked on very large deployments of cloudflare workers + kv store and the performance is amazing (and pricing). It would seem to me that upstash would add hops/latency vs cloudflare kv store?

Doesn't Cloudflare KV have to be used with Cloudflare Workers?

I believe, the implication was, that as Vercel's Edge is built on top of Cloudflare Workers, it could be more natural to integrate with Cloudflare's own KV offering.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by heatmiser »

jmull wrote: post #79
porsager wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've looked at Postgres.js ( https://github.com/porsager/postgres ) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way. Also, node-postgres is ripe for sql injections because you just concatenate strings yourself when using it...

> node-postgres is ripe for sql injections because you just concatenate strings yourself when using it... Why the heck would you do that? I guess for any library that accepts SQL, someone might concatenate strings rather than use the parameter handling.

The things I've seen because people don't want to learn an ORM's (or similar tech) API.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by jmull »

heatmiser wrote: post #137
jmull wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> node-postgres is ripe for sql injections because you just concatenate strings yourself when using it... Why the heck would you do that? I guess for any library that accepts SQL, someone might concatenate strings rather than use the parameter handling.

The things I've seen because people don't want to learn an ORM's (or similar tech) API.

I mean that node-posgres doesn't encourage anyone to include parameter values through string concatenation, at least no more than porsager or other SQL-based clients.

Not sure what ORMs have to do with it. They do include a safe parameter substitution mechanism, but so do typical SQL-based clients.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by porsager »

wereHamster wrote: post #121
porsager wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've looked at Postgres.js ( https://github.com/porsager/postgres ) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way. Also, node-postgres is ripe for sql injections because you just concatenate strings yourself when using it...

The examples on https://node-postgres.com/features/queries clearly show how to use parametrized queries. Of course you /can/ concatenate strings, no library in the JS land will prevent you from doing that. But the examples are pretty clear how to do it correctly.

Well that's exactly what Postgres.js will do for you ;)

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by porsager »

jmull wrote: post #138
heatmiser wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The things I've seen because people don't want to learn an ORM's (or similar tech) API.

I mean that node-posgres doesn't encourage anyone to include parameter values through string concatenation, at least no more than porsager or other SQL-based clients. Not sure what ORMs have to do with it. They do include a safe parameter substitution mechanism, but so do typical SQL-based clients.

It doesn't explicitly encourage you to do it, but it's very much right there - waiting to happen because you always just pass a string to the query function? In Postgres.js you have to use a function that is specifically named `unsafe` to do that.
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