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Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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> GPT is far more useful a reasoning engine Hilarious to read this advice when GPT, by it's own designers, cannot reason.

It can’t reason - as in there no internal memory or intelligence in there. But you can ask it to generate a reasoning chain as part of its output. And then extract that output and do something else with that. That’s the reasoning it can perform. Look up the Sam Altman podcast with Lex. He specifically talks about reasoning engines.

There is an internal memory, but it's very short lived, like a register in a traditional CPU architecture. It's like a CPU disconnected even from L1 cache, let alone RAM.

I like to think of consciousness as not the substrate, but the information flowing through it. Not the H2O molecules in a river, but the current. We're like eddies and swirls in mountain streams, our thoughts are the patterns of flow, not the unmoving rocks that set them up.

In this sense, when an LLM like GPT produces output, it's like a loop that has been cut, a single pass through what would be a circular process in a human brain. It can take a fixed number of steps from a standing start, but no more. This is because there is information flowing through it, transformed step-by-step. It just doesn't recirculate, it always exits after a fixed number of steps.

Think of an unrolled for loop that always exits. It takes a few steps, which look like a loop, but can never actually iterate.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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Obviously the risk here today is that ChatGPT isn't a trustworthy teacher, but the concept is of course absolutely riveting and obvious to everyone, which is why ChatGPT blew up on the first place. Iron out the kinks and I think it's going to be an incredible asset to humanity (not necessarily this particular LLM).

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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I find this too. With GPT there is no such thing as a stupid question. That is really liberating! You can really double check the simplest and most basic of your assumptions with no fear of judgement. And as mentioned in other comments, the assurance of receiving a good faith answer is not to be underestimated.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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I've learned almost everything I know through reading and listening, with very little discourse. I rarely asked questions in class, never had tutors, never went to office hours. I hesitate to post questions online. If I don't understand something, I just read ... more, or bang my head against it as trial and error. I think this is partly why I'm still looking to be wowed by this technology, personally, in terms of wh…

> And while it could be rightly said I've made things unnecessarily hard for myself approaching life like this, I feel it has been beneficial, and enriching, to force myself to really ask, what is this person saying here?

I personally don’t believe there’s mutual exclusivity here.

I spent the first half of my life just absorbing. I’ve spent the 2nd half of my life so far undoing the patterns of thought that can result from staying inside one’s head instead of engaging with people.

In my experience, asking the person saying something what they mean is far more effective than asking myself what they mean.

When I ask them, I can form real empathy.

When I only ask myself, I just waste significant energy on all of the ways I imagine I could or should be empathetic.

> In particular, I wouldn't want GPT to lead to a general lessening of empathy.

While I have a lot of concerns about LLMs and the future of literacy, propagation if misinformation, etc, I don’t think ChatGPT is any more risk to empathy than 100 other aspects of modern life.

Facebook, Twitter and Reddit seem far more responsible for the erosion of empathy, and it’s unclear how LLMs would inherently lead to a “general lessening”. I think that ship sailed a decade ago.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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"I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I'm not sure it's GPT." My suggestion is to stick with it and get a feel for what it's good at. I've found that after a few months of using ChatGPT every day I've developed a pretty solid intuition for which questions are likely to get good answers and which are likely to trigger hallucinations. It's difficult to describe what those intuitions are though! One rule of thumb…

> One rule of thumb I've developed: if something is likely to be "common knowledge" - if it's something that is likely to have been discussed accurately on the internet by many different people - then ChatGPT is very likely to answer questions about it accurately. If so, this information is already easy to find, making GPT redundant.

If you don’t mind a query language that is mostly grunting out nouns.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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I want to use this comment to state one thing, not directly addressed to you. Stop using GPT as a database! GPT is far more useful a reasoning engine that can accumulate fuzzy data and then provide various views or transformation of that data. So asking GPT to parse a Wikipedia page and then asking it to teach you from it - this is a much more successful usage than what the author in the original article is doing. It…

Is it? I couldn't even get it to figure out an NGINX config, despite feeding it the documentation and URL rewrites it would need, and the prior Apache .htaccess file. Spent days on it. Consulted with people who know more than me about prompt engineering. Nope. Reasoning is not its strong point, IMO. It's a next-word prediction model, why would it be? It's doing what an LLM does. Frequently, nonsensically.

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Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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If "chaining some simple API calls" is "a large part of your work", I can see it being incredibly useful. I already used it in this way a few times and it saved me some time indeed. However, as a software developer I feel like it's actually a tiny minority of my work; most of it is "doing some thinking" and slowly unfolding the inner parts of systems in order to understand how they work and how to fix them or make th…

Actually this is the aspect I love about GPT. The less I have to spend dealing with idiosyncrasies of arbitrary API boiler plate and can get down to the business of leveraging said things together or designing aspects of said things to achieve a new goal, the better. As someone who is far from an expert in DevOps, this has saved me a lot of time recently, and it worked fairly well to get past duct taping infrastructu…

> The less I have to spend dealing with idiosyncrasies of arbitrary API boiler plate

In my experience, GPT saves me some time when I don't really have to think about idiosyncrasies anyway. In cases where I do have to think about them, GPT doesn't offload that from me. It often tries to mash unrelated frameworks together or makes up non-existing APIs that it would find useful for the given task. When it does work well, it mostly boils down to automated series of copy'n'pastes. Saves a bit of time, sure, but doesn't really transform the way I work.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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I've learned almost everything I know through reading and listening, with very little discourse. I rarely asked questions in class, never had tutors, never went to office hours. I hesitate to post questions online. If I don't understand something, I just read ... more, or bang my head against it as trial and error. I think this is partly why I'm still looking to be wowed by this technology, personally, in terms of wh…

> And while it could be rightly said I've made things unnecessarily hard for myself approaching life like this, I feel it has been beneficial, and enriching, to force myself to really ask, what is this person saying here? I personally don’t believe there’s mutual exclusivity here. I spent the first half of my life just absorbing. I’ve spent the 2nd half of my life so far undoing the patterns of thought that can resul…

Well, here instead of asking you a clarifying question about your response, I might instead ask ChatGPT. Something would be lost, in my mind. Just musing out loud.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to use this comment to state one thing, not directly addressed to you. Stop using GPT as a database! GPT is far more useful a reasoning engine that can accumulate fuzzy data and then provide various views or transformation of that data. So asking GPT to parse a Wikipedia page and then asking it to teach you from it - this is a much more successful usage than what the author in the original article is doing. It…

Is it? I couldn't even get it to figure out an NGINX config, despite feeding it the documentation and URL rewrites it would need, and the prior Apache .htaccess file. Spent days on it. Consulted with people who know more than me about prompt engineering. Nope. Reasoning is not its strong point, IMO. It's a next-word prediction model, why would it be? It's doing what an LLM does. Frequently, nonsensically.

Interesting! I found it super helpful with gitlab-ci stuff and docker, as well as much bash and makefile stuff. I would have assumed it would handle NGINX configurations.

Tbh, it isn't surprising that it fails, its surprising that it has subjects where it is very useful.

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