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Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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post #7

I'm in two minds about it. On one hand the internet (in general) has become so hard to find information on, and I agree with the author that GPT is a breath of fresh air. On the other hand I've seen GPT fail so miserably at topics that I'm knowledge about that I have a very hard time trusting anything it tells me. I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I'm not sure it's GPT. I wish we could go back to having sea…

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Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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post #7

I'm in two minds about it. On one hand the internet (in general) has become so hard to find information on, and I agree with the author that GPT is a breath of fresh air. On the other hand I've seen GPT fail so miserably at topics that I'm knowledge about that I have a very hard time trusting anything it tells me. I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I'm not sure it's GPT. I wish we could go back to having sea…

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> Cross-referencing multiple sources can help ensure that the information we consume is accurate.

Not when they are all based on the same Wikipedia article

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

#84
post #33

This is so ridiculous. GPT is like that "know-it-all" friend we have who just has something to say about anything , with knowledge skimmed from the internet. GPT is a language model. It outputs what you want to hear , not what is correct.

> It outputs what you want to hear Nonsense. How could it possibly know "what you want to hear"?

It outputs what some idealised version of a person wants to hear, where what is "idealised" has been determined by its training. I've noticed, for example, that it appears to have been trained to want to give responses that seem helpful, and make you trust it. When it's outputting garbage code that doesn't work, it will often say things like "I have tested this and it works correctly", despite that being an impossibility.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

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post #72
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I'm not sure it's GPT." My suggestion is to stick with it and get a feel for what it's good at. I've found that after a few months of using ChatGPT every day I've developed a pretty solid intuition for which questions are likely to get good answers and which are likely to trigger hallucinations. It's difficult to describe what those intuitions are though! One rule of thumb…

> One rule of thumb I've developed: if something is likely to be "common knowledge" - if it's something that is likely to have been discussed accurately on the internet by many different people - then ChatGPT is very likely to answer questions about it accurately. If so, this information is already easy to find, making GPT redundant.

it being commonly discussed doesn't mean easily accessible. Personally ads and bad UI are main factors of my increased usage of gpt-4.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

#87
post #79

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I've actually had great success with the automation of boiler plate DevOps nonsense using GPT-4, including: GitHub actions, Caddy scripts, Docker files, etc. Every second that I didn't have to: - go look up a similar problem on Google - open three or four stack overflow tabs - read through the stack overflow links - copy out the answer - change all the variables to match variable names that I want All of this represe…

Did you learn anything in the process? You'd still have to over the output and understand it, otherwise nothing has changed except the method of producing something you don't understand.

If you're not DevOps, why bother learning whatever framework is used today, but which will be replaced by something else next year? I just want to get my stuff deployed and that's it.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

#88
post #80
post #13

You can downvote me but I think OP hasn't learned how to learn yet. If OP reads Wikipedia by understanding every sentence and clicking on every link, that's deliberately sabotaging his own learning. Attitudes like "I don't really feel like spelunking through a ton more articles" simply shows OP isn't interested in learning per se, just quick answers. OP learns in a way that's very child-like. When you are a five-year…

I agree, especially if you consider these were the questions on OP's mind: > just out of curiosity, I wanted to learn more. I get that LEDs consume less energy and release less heat, and that they're made using semiconductors. But what kinds of semiconductors? How do semiconductors work in general, anyway? And they proceed to type "LED" into Google. Why not "led what kind of semiconductor" and "how do semiconductors…

For what it’s worth, the transcript I posted is 100% of the conversation I had with GPT-4. “How do LEDs work?” was the only thing I wrote in the initial question.

I did try Googling “how do LEDs work” for comparison, but it yielded the same top few results. Of course, I could have iteratively tried different search queries to get to the answers I wanted, but this gets at my real point: I don’t have to formulate 5 different search queries anymore, allowing me to maintain one focused line of inquiry. I talk about this a little in the “fewer browser tabs” bit of the post.

I do think someone could create an alternative search UI that would be better for learning on the web. Something where you can run multiple searches and “collect” the useful information you find into a single page, rather than having the results split across a mess of browser tabs and note-taking windows. Maybe I just find juggling many browser tabs more annoying than other people do?

Anyway, I tried the queries you posted above, and most resources I found were still very confusing for a layman. The one exception is this page, which I think does a great job of introducing additional complexity on this topic gradually: https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/led.htm

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

#89
This is the classic "google is so crap now", then when you dig a bit, the search query is something incredibly broad (in this case "led") or irrelevant, with the author then complaining about the quality of the results

I'm not taking anything away from Chat-GPT for this use case, but I see the above pattern in almost every Google bashing thread on HN.

Re: GPT makes learning fun again

#90
post #45
post #30

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I can. Even if the answers accidentally happen to be correct, that's just the broken clock happens to be correct twice a day. The information value of answers by ChatGPT is zero .

> The information value of answers by ChatGPT is zero. Nonsense. The only way this would be true is if ChatGPT's answers were as likely to be correct as random answers. They are much, much more likely to be correct, however, so their information value is greater than zero by definition. What you're claiming is equivalent to "search engines can find incorrect information, so search engines are worthless for informatio…

> The only way this would be true is if ChatGPT's answers were as likely to be correct as random answers.

Which is the case

> They are much, much more likely to be correct,

They are not. It's just apophenia to find meaning in the word salad.

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