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Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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As I understand New York state requires car inspections every 12 months. Do they not fail that due to unreadable license plates? Where I am in Europe if you even have a screw in a place that could potentially confuse a camera it will fail the inspection.

> As I understand New York state requires car inspections every 12 months.

you could just make it readable prior to inspection then make it unreadable again.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#22
post #3

On the other hand it feels like there's been a huge money grab with automated systems mailing out tickets or maybe I'm just at sore at the $180 red light camera ticket I just paid.

I am absolutely not a fan of fixed or hidden speed cameras, but red light cameras are legitimately good because you have zero reason or excuse to go through a red or speed through an intersection.

You have zero reason or excuse to be speeding, other than personal selfishness.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#23

I’m not an old person, but I know I’m going to sound like a curmudgeon saying this. I think it’s just moral decay. I can’t think of any other meaningful reason. In Phoenix, which I consider the national capitol of bad drivers, in the span of less than 10 years, I’ve noticed a staggering number of people in the metro area who just blatantly run red lights now. Sometimes seconds after they’ve turned. It’s straight up r…

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Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I’m not an old person, but I know I’m going to sound like a curmudgeon saying this. I think it’s just moral decay. I can’t think of any other meaningful reason. In Phoenix, which I consider the national capitol of bad drivers, in the span of less than 10 years, I’ve noticed a staggering number of people in the metro area who just blatantly run red lights now. Sometimes seconds after they’ve turned. It’s straight up r…

Do you think there's a connection to this behaviour and the type of vehicle they drive? With SUVs becoming super huge, maybe people feel that they don't have to stop because they won't be coming off worse in an accident?

I think there’s a non-zero amount of that going on. I’ve had conversations with people who’ve said exactly this about their car choice!

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#25
post #3

On the other hand it feels like there's been a huge money grab with automated systems mailing out tickets or maybe I'm just at sore at the $180 red light camera ticket I just paid.

Red light cameras are proven to reduce the most dangerous intersection crashes (T-bones) at the expense of a slight increase in rear-end collisions (which are the fault of the second driver for following too closely, and likely both drivers for speeding.) Before anyone starts bleating about companies changing cycle times: that's only happened in a few areas and most municipalities and states have caught on to the sca…

They fill me full of dread and anxiety. Surely that reduces life expectancy?

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#26
post #3

On the other hand it feels like there's been a huge money grab with automated systems mailing out tickets or maybe I'm just at sore at the $180 red light camera ticket I just paid.

Red light cameras are proven to reduce the most dangerous intersection crashes (T-bones) at the expense of a slight increase in rear-end collisions (which are the fault of the second driver for following too closely, and likely both drivers for speeding.) Before anyone starts bleating about companies changing cycle times: that's only happened in a few areas and most municipalities and states have caught on to the sca…

I paid 700 bucks at a red light camera in the middle of an empty intersection at 2pm on a Saturday in Culver City, CA. It came out of nowhere. It felt like an obvious money grab

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#27
post #8

As I understand New York state requires car inspections every 12 months. Do they not fail that due to unreadable license plates? Where I am in Europe if you even have a screw in a place that could potentially confuse a camera it will fail the inspection.

If the goal is to avoid getting tickets from automated processes, I'd imagine they put back on the real one for inspection, then swap it back when they get home.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#28

I’m not an old person, but I know I’m going to sound like a curmudgeon saying this. I think it’s just moral decay. I can’t think of any other meaningful reason. In Phoenix, which I consider the national capitol of bad drivers, in the span of less than 10 years, I’ve noticed a staggering number of people in the metro area who just blatantly run red lights now. Sometimes seconds after they’ve turned. It’s straight up r…

I was taught to always assure that the drivers on the cross street are stopping, and its saved me a couple times, particularly in the rain when people think their car will continue to brake in 10' despite the roads now being covered with a mixture of oil, tire sludge and water which is almost as slick as ice.

But, yes I find myself not having a lot of respect for much of traffic control these days, when the cities can't be bothered to even make the lights flash at 3 AM, and instead are stopping me at every single light down a road for exactly zero cross traffic. Or when there is a light out, and a cop sitting in their car waiting for someone to not treat it like a 4 way stop instead of getting out and directing traffic.

So, while I don't live in a place with automated ticketing, I can see the allure of fake license plates. My brother in law's house just had a light added on the cross street he uses to leave the neighborhood. Whats the first thing its doing? Long light cycles with short interruptions and ticketing everyone who runs it. Again because while that intersection hasn't needed a light for the past 40 years, and the town he is in hasn't grown much it got one after some drunk teenager caused a big accident. So, now it backs up, and instead of just turning left after a 10 seconds or so with a gap, one can sit there for multiple minutes because there are a dozen cars backed up trying to get out. And of course the ticket is like $150 or something, most of which goes to the private corp that put the camera in.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#29
post #3

On the other hand it feels like there's been a huge money grab with automated systems mailing out tickets or maybe I'm just at sore at the $180 red light camera ticket I just paid.

Traffic enforcement should REQUIRE a police officer to be physically present at the time of the incident OR a retroactive issue related to an accident that happened.

The officer's presence would encourage safer driving at problematic intersections.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red light cameras are proven to reduce the most dangerous intersection crashes (T-bones) at the expense of a slight increase in rear-end collisions (which are the fault of the second driver for following too closely, and likely both drivers for speeding.) Before anyone starts bleating about companies changing cycle times: that's only happened in a few areas and most municipalities and states have caught on to the sca…

I paid 700 bucks at a red light camera in the middle of an empty intersection at 2pm on a Saturday in Culver City, CA. It came out of nowhere. It felt like an obvious money grab

Did you run the red?
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