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The imagination of there being some master switch or inflection point where humans are within a hair's breadth of salvation seems hopelessly naive to me. The strategems of a superior mind are unknowable and do not engineer scenarios where they exist in a high degree of precarity.
Unknowable, yet confidently describable?
Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
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#522Do you think that this story has some similarities with the movie WarGames (1983) [1] ? I am connecting Geoffrey Hinton with the Stephen Falken character in the movie [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames [2] https://war-games.fandom.com/wiki/Stephen_Falken
I prefer this example.
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#523See his response on twitter. https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/165299357072121037...
Yesterday, I randomly watched his full interview from a month ago with CBS Morning, and found the discussion much more nuanced than today's headlines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoRO378qRY&t=16s The next video in my recommendations was more dire, but equally as interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=2847s
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#524How is this different from what we have now? His immediate concern is that the internet will be flooded with false photos, videos and text, and the average person will “not be able to know what is true anymore.” maybe it's just me, but seems like this isn't a problem with technology but rather with how we organize society He is also worried that A.I. technologies will in time upend the job market. Today, chatbots lik…
I don't know why but I m pumped for the public internet to be littered with fake photos, so that people no longer lose their jobs over dumb things they did 10 years ago, and so that governments can no longer spy on their people reliably
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#525Google recently launched a cloud offering that uses a LLM to analyze untrusted code. It's vulnerable to prompt injection through that code. Microsoft Bing still has the ability to be invoked from Edge on any webpage, where it will use that webpage content as context. It's vulnerable to prompt injection. Plantr is advertising using an LLM in military operations. Multimodal LLMs offer us a new exciting opportunity to have prompt injection happen via images. And OpenAI had decided that prompt injection isn't eligible for bug bounties because "those are for problems that can be fixed", which is a wild thing for a company to say at the same time it's advertising API integration with its product.
But sure, let's have yet another conversation about AGI. The problem is that the only thing these articles do is encourage the public to trust LLMs more. Yes, spam is a concern; yes, the politics of technology on the workplace is always something to consider. But these articles take a naively positive tone towards LLM capabilities that glosses over the fact that there are significant problems with the technology itself.
In the same way that discussions about the ethics of self driving cars masked the reality that the technology was wildly unpolished, discussions about the singularity mask the reality that modern LLMs are frighteningly insecure but are nonetheless being built into every new product anyway.
It's not that these conversations aren't important, I do think they're important. Obviously the politics matter. But the failure mode for LLMs outside of content generation is so much worse than these articles make it seem. On some level they're puff pieces masquarading as criticism.
I guess the silver lining is that if you're genuinely losing sleep about GPT-4 becoming a general agent that does every job, don't worry -- that'll only last until it gets someone's bank account emptied or until some enemy combatant uses prompt injection to get a drone to bomb a different target. Unless this security problem gets solved, but none of the companies seem to care that much about security or view it as a blocker for launching whatever new product they have to try and drive up stock price or grab VC funding. So I'm not really holding my breath on that.
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Society will be fine, actually AI will make things much better, just as the internet did. People have been making these kind of extreme predictions for decades and it was always wrong. The only people still upset about better communications tech are the people who pine for the days when all that was expected of respectable people was automatically trusting anyone working for the government, a university or a newspape…
Social media algorithms on "the internet" have caused wars, supported genocides, created extreme societal polarization, have led to dramatically increased suicide rates among teens, especially teen girls, and more. But I got to share baby pics with my mom. How will a far noisier information flow help? Generative AI will only help us do what we've been doing in far greater quantity. Just like calculators can only help…
The problem hasn't been content creation for a long time.
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#529Another article about fears of AGI. As a reminder, there is not a single LLM on the market today that is not vulnerable to prompt injection, and nobody has demonstrated a fully reliable method to guard against it. And by and large, companies don't really seem to care. Google recently launched a cloud offering that uses a LLM to analyze untrusted code. It's vulnerable to prompt injection through that code. Microsoft B…
Prompt injection isn't something you can solve. Security people are sometimes pushing things beyond sense or reason, but even they won't be able to fix that one - not without overhauling our understanding of fundamental reality in the process.
The distinction between "code" and "data", between a "control plane" and "data plane", is a fake one - something we pretend exists (or believe exists, when we don't yet know better), and keep up by building systems that try to enforce it. There is no such distinction at the fundamental level, though. At systems level, there is no such distinction in LLMs, and there is no such distinction in human mind.
Sure, current bleed of LLMs is badly vulnerable to some trivial prompt injections - but I think a good analogy would be a 4 year old kid. They will believe anything you say if you insist hard enough, because you're an adult, and they're a small kid, and they don't know better. A big part of growing up is learning to ignore random prompts from the environment. But an adult can still be prompt-injected - i.e. manipulated, "social engineered" - it just takes a lot more effort.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#530Another article about fears of AGI. As a reminder, there is not a single LLM on the market today that is not vulnerable to prompt injection, and nobody has demonstrated a fully reliable method to guard against it. And by and large, companies don't really seem to care. Google recently launched a cloud offering that uses a LLM to analyze untrusted code. It's vulnerable to prompt injection through that code. Microsoft B…