Disappointing. Yet another industry leader sewing public FUD for some reason. Why not bring rational discourse into the conversation around software safety and ethics. Automation has been the driving force of industry since the industrial revolution itself. We're not new to automation, and we are certainly not new to safety of autonomous systems. AI is no different.
Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
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Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#382Disappointing. Yet another industry leader sewing public FUD for some reason. Why not bring rational discourse into the conversation around software safety and ethics. Automation has been the driving force of industry since the industrial revolution itself. We're not new to automation, and we are certainly not new to safety of autonomous systems. AI is no different.
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Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You release Bard and it is an embarrassing disaster, a critical fail leading to an almost 50% reduction of Google's stock price" This didn't happen so maybe you need to reexamine your entire premise.
Not 50% but they did lose 100 Billion because of the Bard demo.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
somebody has a no disparage
That’s not how a non-disparagement clause works. It puts restrictions on what you’re allowed to say. It doesn’t require you to correct what other people say. If your badly thought through assumption was correct, the logical response from him would be to simply say nothing.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#385We are barely scraping the surface when it comes to understanding the future dangers of AI. Geoffrey Hinton is uniquely positioned to point out where the dangers are, and from what I've gleaned from interviews one of his main concerns atm is the use of AI in the military: fully autonomous military robots might not be possible to curtail. The tried and tested method is international agreements. The current focus on ar…
Military application of AI drones isn't even the worst possible use, it's nations using them to completely subjugate their own population(although the same tech could be used against non-peer nations). Combination of things like Gorgon Stare to direct smaller AI controlled drones like what they are using in Ukraine would be a police state nightmare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare https://longreads.com/201…
"they can surveil an entire city in real-time with this and track where everybody is and who they are meeting with. No form of protest or movement against the government will be possible if it's scaled up"
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#386We are barely scraping the surface when it comes to understanding the future dangers of AI. Geoffrey Hinton is uniquely positioned to point out where the dangers are, and from what I've gleaned from interviews one of his main concerns atm is the use of AI in the military: fully autonomous military robots might not be possible to curtail. The tried and tested method is international agreements. The current focus on ar…
Yeah, this seems like more of a problem than vague statements about AGI. We're still in the scope of ML - ChatGPT can't play chess, for example, and a self driving model can't write Haiku. An AGI would be able to do all of them. It seems much more likely that a fleet of autonomous (in the name of cutting costs) war machines will be created with relatively simple ML models that work in intended (or otherwise) ways to…
1) Other than book openings (which it could easily learn) chess requires calculating alternate lines of play, but GPT is just a multi-layer (transformer decoder block) pass-thru architecture so is fundamentally unable to do this. Each word (chess move) output is just the result of N sequential inference steps, with no looping or recursion.
It might potentially be able to do better if prompted/scripted to select few best lines and recursively explore them (using it's own output to keep track of what it is doing), more like a person or computer chess engine would do. Perhaps it could use chess theory to evaluate board positions and which looked good.
2) Even if ChatGPT had the intelligence/reasoning power to learn how to play chess, it'd still need to learn! You can't learn to play chess just passively by studying chess games. It's also in general not memorizing (vs generalizing over) training material, so it's not even going to memorize those games it has seen. Maybe massive fine-tuning on chess would help a bit, but I doubt very much.
3) ChatGPT has tons of knowledge, but a rather limited amount of reasoning power. It's a bit like having a 7-year old idiot savant memorize a set of encyclopedias and then quizzing them on problems you think it should be able to figure out from that. No doubt future models will have better reasoning capabilities and therefore more potential ability to learn something like chess if it also had the necessary iterative planning capability.
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#387Disappointing. Yet another industry leader sewing public FUD for some reason. Why not bring rational discourse into the conversation around software safety and ethics. Automation has been the driving force of industry since the industrial revolution itself. We're not new to automation, and we are certainly not new to safety of autonomous systems. AI is no different.
What are your credentials in the field if I may ask?
Re: Geoffrey Hinton leaves Google and warns of danger ahead
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is such a blurry line for autonomous munitions. militaries used dumb imprecise munitions for decades - then precision weapons. A2A missiles used to lock on radar signature leading to huge risks related to accidentally shooting airliners/friendly craft. Now antiship missiles dynamically select their target over 300km away to maximize the chance of hitting a big ship. During the war on terror, ML models would dec…
This comment appears to be getting upvotes, so I am going to jump in and say that it is very clear to anyone who knows that this commenter has no idea how AI is being used in the military or how military targeting works in the West. These things are generally classified, but algorithms are nowhere close to being considered decision-capable and human-in-the-loop targeting will be the norm for quite some time. Even nex…
I'd expect that mine manufacturers jump on the A.I. bandwagon to suggest that weapons are designed to be less harmful to civilians, and should not be subject to bans on certain types of mines.