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New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by uwagar »

kerkeslager wrote: post #961
uwagar wrote: post #898

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i dont know how labor intensive the butane torch is. normally id impale my aubergine on a fork and put it on a small open gas flame and do other things, its takes a while say at least 20-30 mins. and the butane torch isnt gonna put in harmful chemicals more than my gas flame?

Well, you do have to actively use the torch, so it is a bit more labor intensive, but you definitely don't have to sit there with a torch for 20-30 minutes. I haven't made baba ganoush this way so take it with a grain of salt, but the way I've approached fruits with similar water content (i.e. squash or apples) is to bake for an amount of time (which is going to give you a more consistent cook all the way through tha…

thank you appreciate your detailed reply.

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Post by slashdev »

sharemywin wrote: post #960
NeverFade wrote: post #788

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> Why don’t we band together, mass produce 2500 nuclear plants that are at least as large, and make an actual difference. Because the same climate activists who keep harping on the "climate crisis" and successfully push policies like in OP, are also irrationally opposed to nuclear energy. Since these folks are calling the shots, we're heading into an energy crisis in which: 1. More and more demand is placed on our po…

I grabbed some stats off google: solar nuclear and battery costs Companies that are planning new nuclear units are currently indicating that the total costs (including escalation and financing costs) will be in the range of $5,500/kW to $8,100/kW or between $6 billion and $9 billion for each 1,100 MW plant. Installing a solar farms will cost about $0.80 to $1.36 per watt. Solar farm costs can be estimated by energy o…

Nuclear would get some serious economies of scale at 2500 units, so those prices aren't a fair comparison of what could be.

I've long maintained here on HN, however, that under-investment in nuclear has made it not cost effective compared to renewables + storage (remember you don't need 100% storage.) At current market prices, nuclear doesn't make much sense. It could have really helped if we'd started earlier with it though, before renewables were in the picture.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by jutrewag »

iamdamian wrote: post #823
jutrewag wrote: post #666

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> But when you dig into the details, it seems like the regulation may not have much effect on climate change at all. So you’re going to handwave away the justification for the main crux of your argument.

When I say "dig into the details", I mean "look for evidence". I looked for evidence that this would have a substantial effect on the climate and was unable to find any. In fact, the most anyone has come up with in this thread is the number 0.0028 (or about 0.3%): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35757522 If you have more compelling data, please share it.

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by kerkeslager »

uwagar wrote: post #971
kerkeslager wrote: post #961

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Well, you do have to actively use the torch, so it is a bit more labor intensive, but you definitely don't have to sit there with a torch for 20-30 minutes. I haven't made baba ganoush this way so take it with a grain of salt, but the way I've approached fruits with similar water content (i.e. squash or apples) is to bake for an amount of time (which is going to give you a more consistent cook all the way through tha…

thank you appreciate your detailed reply.

No problem! I love to nerd out about cooking.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by dang »

nonethewiser wrote: post #387
wolverine876 wrote: post #113

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What gas stoves are being banned or seized?

All of them in NYs new construction. You’re trying to hide behind a hair.

Please edit out swipes. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Your comment would be fine without that last bit.

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Post by dang »

wolverine876 wrote: post #643
nonethewiser wrote: post #387

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All of them in NYs new construction. You’re trying to hide behind a hair.

You are nonethewiser.

Please edit out swipes. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by dang »

kenned3 wrote: post #795
culturestate wrote: post #688

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I lived in mainland China and Hong Kong for nearly a decade and had electric induction stoves in every apartment. Anecdotal evidence is, as ever, weak evidence.

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Please make your substantive points without crossing into flamewar or personal attack. Those things are not what HN is for, and destroy what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Edit: we've had to ask you this more than once before:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32655788 (Aug 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24256585 (Aug 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23950934 (July 2020)

Worse, it looks like you've been using HN primarily to post this kind of thing. Please stop! We have to ban accounts that do that and I don't want to ban you.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by tanseydavid »

qwytw wrote: post #886
bretticus wrote: post #709

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They certainly won’t install an expensive induction stove in housing for poor people

What proportion of new housing is built for "poor people" to live? I was under the assumption that most new developments are aimed at the mid/high end of the market which makes older buildings more accessible to low income households. Also induction stoves are quite cheap nowadays (in relation to the overall cost) so it would seem absurd for me to get a resistive one even if you could save $100-200

>> so it would seem absurd for me to get a resistive one even if you could save $100-200

But if it were 30 apartment units, then the cost difference on paper would amount to $3000-$6000 (and it would probably be judged in this way, rather than the cost difference per unit).

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Post by alex_lav »

apnew wrote: post #959
alex_lav wrote: post #935

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But...replace gas range with seatbelts or smoking cigarettes indoors and you're repeating exactly the argument that was made while that legislation was happening. "We can't add legislation because I like the dangerous thing"

If I were to take your examples; range hood is the seatbelt; what this legislation is doing is telling driving “too unsafe; everyone must take train”. Or too take cigarettes example; ban cigarette sales completely instead of banning smoking indoors. I hope you see the nuance now.

I don't. I still see a person advocating for their own ability to be negligent as a result of personal preference, in the face of data suggesting that preference is a problem.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by lazide »

iudqnolq wrote: post #747
lazide wrote: post #604

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Bwahahaha this is so ridiculous. This isn’t even on the same planet as lead paint. All this does is saddle folks with shittier, more expensive options in the name of ‘green’.

It's arguably less dangerous than lead paint. If don't let lead paint deteriorate and clean regularly then the health risk is minimal. There's no comparable mitigation option for gas stoves. Installing a fune hood involves cutting a hole in the wall, no chance your landlord will ok they in a cheap place.

It's called a window. It works pretty well usually.
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