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New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by apnew »

jjj123 wrote: post #830
apnew wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also _rent_. I hate food cooked on electric stoves, so when I was looking to rent, anything that dint have gas stove was automatic non-starter for me. This whole argument that “you oppose a forced choice so you must hate poor people” is just a straw-man. Just because you prefer things one way doesn’t mean govt has a business telling me how I should cook my food.

The parent’s comment was also saying that gas stoves are essentially a forced choice on poor people who don’t have many options when looking for a place to rent. Just because you theoretically have more choice in a free market doesn’t mean you actually do, depending on how desperate you are.

Well then the solution is to mandate a hood that cleans the said toxic gas/es out. And if we were being serious at all; there is always a habitability clause in the rental agreements which can be used to mandate the hoods where gas ranges exists. No new laws/regulations needed.

But those would be too good of solutions and spoil the current sneaky plan. Too many goal posts are shifting for justifying a performative-feel-good-climate fight (the point the top-level comment is trying to make).

There is no pure free-market anywhere (and it's a good thing). Let's not justify govt overreach in the garb of imperfect market-capitalism.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by apnew »

alex_lav wrote: post #668
apnew wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also _rent_. I hate food cooked on electric stoves, so when I was looking to rent, anything that dint have gas stove was automatic non-starter for me. This whole argument that “you oppose a forced choice so you must hate poor people” is just a straw-man. Just because you prefer things one way doesn’t mean govt has a business telling me how I should cook my food.

...isn't "but i like my food cooked on the other kind" just the same thing you're arguing against?

But I am not taking a position that govt bans the other side's fav style, am I now?

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by alex_lav »

apnew wrote: post #922
alex_lav wrote: post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...isn't "but i like my food cooked on the other kind" just the same thing you're arguing against?

But I am not taking a position that govt bans the other side's fav style, am I now?

Should legislation include science and fact-less personal preference?

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by AustinDev »

apnew wrote: post #521
ahoy wrote: post #445

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I _rent_ a home, as do a full half of new york state residents. I'd love an electric stove. Every rental I've ever lived in has a gas stove and no fume hood. The full half of new yorkers who rent - almost 20 million people - mostly get whatever theirlandlord picked. So when I read posts like this, decrying government overreach, I wonder if you've ever been poor? Have you ever lived here? Do you know what youre talkin…

I also _rent_. I hate food cooked on electric stoves, so when I was looking to rent, anything that dint have gas stove was automatic non-starter for me. This whole argument that “you oppose a forced choice so you must hate poor people” is just a straw-man. Just because you prefer things one way doesn’t mean govt has a business telling me how I should cook my food.

Have you ever used induction? Electric induction is the best cooktop I've ever owned, and I was a staunch only gas person beforehand. Plus I can boil water on it faster than is possible in any gas stove @ 5kW (on the 'power' element). It can do a gallon of water in ~ 4 minutes from room temperature or a liter in about a minute it's pretty awesome.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by thedougd »

I have a gas range and love the idea of an induction cooktop. Plenty of power and control without the difficult cleanup. But heaven help you if you’re stuck with 208V service as many do in condos and apartments where the building is serviced with 3 phase 480V. The reduction in wattage for a 240V appliance is significant and easily noticed.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by dmix »

brewdad wrote: post #636
dmix wrote: post #597

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That doesn't make banning suddenly better because regulation/codes are so broken.

Yes it does. Unless you think reforming regulators will somehow be easier.

There’s still a 3rd option

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Post by ryan-allen »

lobocinza wrote: post #879
Pigalowda wrote: post #820

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I don’t like cooking on the electric stove top because it provides uneven heating. It’s easier to clean though.

IMO it's more even in a induction stove than in a gas stove. But maybe that is due to the more expensive frying pan I had to buy.

Induction is the best of both worlds, but you do have to have induction pans. Stainless steel last a lifetime, and are not _that_ expensive, and you can also use cast iron!

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by the_doctah »

scoofy wrote: post #910
user3939382 wrote: post #876

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> There aren't any advantages to gas at all That's false. Gas means you can instantly adjust the heat level. Electric is nice if you don't actually cook or don't know how. You don't find electric in any restaurant ever and there's a reason for that. Again, the people pushing this legislation 100% do not have electric ranges in their house. This is performative politics that has nothing to do with actually caring abou…

Basically everything you just stated is out of date. You're thinking of old, incandescent electric stoves, which are indeed garbage. You can heat faster and also adjust heat faster with induction than with gas. Many restaurants are moving to induction. People pushing for this legislation have induction ranges in their house... in fact, most serious people with concerns about air quality have already switched. The rea…

Your entire post needs citations

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by travisporter »

soupbowl wrote: post #909
pipodeclown wrote: post #475

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What does that even mean? Did you not get the whole, burning hydrocarbons is bad for the climate memo? We have to stop all net carbon emmissions in the next fifteen years or were screwed (propably already are) and twats like you keep going online spouting your 'i don't buy the climate argument' bullshit. We're literally talking about burning hydrocarbons to heat stuff, how the hell can you say that you don't buy the…

Oh no, we are all going to die.

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