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That’s ironic because gas stoves are actually only the majority in California and places around New York, ie literally the coastal elite.
that's a bold claim cotton, care to back it up with some actual data? I've lived in several places across the country, they seemed to all have gas an eletric in a mix.
Why are lithium prices collapsing?
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Same thing happens with the gas stove threads. I can’t believe that actual people are that invested in burning hydrocarbons.
> I can’t believe that actual people are that invested in burning hydrocarbons. Yeah, it's weird, right? Why _are_ people so invested in burning natgas and coal and other hydrocarbons for large-scale power generation when a plethora of proven near-zero-emissions alternatives exist? From a climate-change perspective, banning natgas cookstoves is a few pennies saved on like a thousand dollar expenditure. It's similar t…
The point of the natural gas stove ban in new construction is to stop building additional natural gas infrastructure. Building new pipes to new housing will lock us in to decades of additional natural gas use.
I expect natural gas for heating will be the long pole of greenhouse gas emissions. Eventually we'll have to disassemble what we already have. For some areas, it may make sense to do that soon.
Boston, for example, has old and leaky natural gas pipes that have been found to be leaking tons of methane into the atmosphere and causing occasional explosions. The city will probably have to invest billions of dollars into repairing its natural gas distribution pipes in the next 10-20 years, which would remain in use for 50-60 years more.
Or, they could spend a bit more money, convert everyone to induction cooktops and heat pumps, and get rid of the natural gas altogether.
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The reason gas is superior is due to heat recovery time. Recovery time is the time it takes to reach temperature after adding food to a pan. Gas is superior to all forms of electric in recovery time. There simply is /more energy/ in a cubic foot of gas compared to what a home electric circuit can deliver in the same time frame. It’s science, plain and simple. The practical effect is food spends less time steaming, so…
I have an induction wok, it cost a couple hundred dollars on Amazon, heats up instantly and goes up to very high temps. I do not have the problem you are describing. > Gas is superior to all forms of electric in recovery time. This is really going to be dependent on which stoves we are comparing, along with the type of pan being used. > There simply is /more energy/ in a cubic foot of gas compared to what a home elec…
A couple hundred dollars is a LOT for many people including myself. Just saying, not everyone has silicon valley salaries.
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I have an induction wok, it cost a couple hundred dollars on Amazon, heats up instantly and goes up to very high temps. I do not have the problem you are describing. > Gas is superior to all forms of electric in recovery time. This is really going to be dependent on which stoves we are comparing, along with the type of pan being used. > There simply is /more energy/ in a cubic foot of gas compared to what a home elec…
A couple hundred dollars is a LOT for many people including myself. Just saying, not everyone has silicon valley salaries.
Yes… it’s also significantly cheaper than I high end gas stove?
We’re talking about appliances here, OP was comparing a high end gas stove’s output to electric. My point is that my couple hundred dollar unit can replicate many of the things OP was claiming you’d need to buy a $5,000-$10,000 gas stove for (though I am in no way suggesting that these are equivalent in functionality to each other).
Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?
#465The quote from the article below [1] demonstrates why the doomers, degrowers, Neo-Malthusians, etc. keep getting resource scarcity wrong. They keep quoting the "proven reserves" numbers [2] that only count what is extractable with current tech at current prices, factoring out new technologies / techniques, as well as reserves not discovered yet or discovered but not yet "proven". [1] "But while demand for lithium has…
Once upon a time, my conception of oil drilling was roughly that there were these giant tanks of oil underground, and to extract it we more or less stuck a straw down and sucked it out. And that one day, the well would make the same sound as the straw as you're finishing a milkshake, and we would suddenly have no more oil available. Then circa 2002 I got a job at an oil well services company, and learned a lot of com…
Pedantically, there is a "limited" amount of these resources right? Like "if you drill deep enough there's always more" feels incompatible with the fact that these resources are all downstream of actual geological effects.
Or is it really actually "dig deep enough and we find stuff" has almost always been true, making this distinction without a difference?
Just can't help thinking about lakes and acquifers drying up. Even in a more "renewable" scenario, at one point there is a bottom. I just wonder if we have a good feeling for where that is .
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Yes and: One view is private vs public capitalism. USSR vs USA, respectively. Extreme wealth concentration at the expense of everyone else. Both are anti-democratic.
The USSR did call itself democratic. In a sense, since it was central control for all. The USA did NOT call itself democratic -- the preferred term up to the '70s was "constitutional republic". To avoid the flattening that "democracy" was perceived to produce. The argument is that democracy ALWAYS leads to tyranny and collapse. To quote "Both are anti-democratic". Which I don't understand. Is your claim that both sys…
False. We’ve always had a representative democracy.
Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?
#467But lithium only makes up 11% of EV batteries https://www.statista.com/statistics/1203083/composition-of-l...
11% by mass, 11% by volume, or 11% by value?
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#468I'm currently on a laptop. Why does one increment of the mouse wheel scroll like four screenfuls on this web page? I'm not gonna use the scroll bar to read your shit; have a nice day.
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Forget burning, even pumping gas to residences is itself a big source of emissions, because of how leaky the pipes are. Between two to seven percent of all gas put into the system is lost directly to the atmosphere, and it's a very potent greenhouse gas. One way or the other, it needs to go away. It's not performative, it's necessary for achieving long-term emissions goals, and it's low-hanging fruit.
> One way or the other, it needs to go away. Sure, agreed. > It's not performative... Right now it very much is because, as you say: > ...it's low-hanging fruit. As I said: > ...banning natgas cookstoves is a few pennies saved on like a thousand dollar expenditure. and > [Low-impact, high-visibility stuff like that is done because] it's way easier than making a real dent in the underlying problem If you'll pardon the…
How is residential natural gas use not high-hanging fruit?
Precluding new residential infrastructure is high-hanging fruit. It precludes leaky infrastructure.
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that's a bold claim cotton, care to back it up with some actual data? I've lived in several places across the country, they seemed to all have gas an eletric in a mix.
Sure: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/29082/most-common-type-of...
Thank you and interesting. I lived in St. Louis, there was a lot of natural gas. But its next to illinois which is over 80% so wonderi f there's a % in stl not anywhere else.