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More people are getting away with murder

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Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by prepend »

aristus wrote: post #24
0zemp2c wrote: post #3

Why limit this to unsolved murders? How many police depts ignore property crime? How many police depts have hour long wait times for 911 response? How many 911 systems routinely delay or drop calls? We had a story near here recently where a DUI accident investigation couldn't proceed because it took so long for police to arrive that the suspect sobered up enough Or the woman who was hit by a car and the police took o…

It's pretty clear that cops are staging a slowdown strike. They are one of the few industries where they get more money when their KPIs go south.

I think pretty much all essential/monopoly/government industries get more money when kpis go south- health, education, sanitation, etc.

Pretty much all essential services get more funding when kpis go south. And I think that’s usually because lack of resources make kpis go south. Take a great teacher with 20 kids in their class. Make the class size 40 and KPIs will go down. Does that teacher become bad?

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by aborsy »

You should take care of yourself. If you are in a vehicle or crime accident, good luck with justice.

How do you want to prove anything?

I have seen it in the case of accidents. If there is no well portioned camera, you can’t say much. Even if there is one, it can still be difficult to prove someone’s fault. In most cases the evidence is weak. And if you succeed, there could be some hurdles for the other side but nothing will replace your health.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by Zigurd »

privatedan wrote: post #22

Was on a jury for a murder trial dec 2021. The trial gave me a new found respect for how trials are conducted, what evidence is allowed in, how defendants are protected, and the general thought and reasoning behind it all. Then, the jury deliberated and I lost a ton of respect for the ability of a jury of my peers to logically reason and responsibly decide. It was an absolute shit show in false pretenses, irrational…

I was on the jury for a simple drunk driving case where the cop, the only witness testifying, with no other evidence presented, was caught lying about being "run off the road." Lost a lot of faith in mankind that day.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by bertil »

That article doesn’t mention any number, and I was curious how that compared to suicides and road deaths. There are 7.8 homicides per 100,000 people, so about 26k per year. That’s staggering.

There were 46,412 suicides among adults in 2021.

37,461 people were killed on the roads. Given how frequent are hit-and-runs with accidents, I expected it to be more common in deadly situations, but it seems to be the opposite: 2,049 fatalities that resulted from hit-and-run crashes in 2016.

Finally, in 2021, a record 106,699 lives were lost to overdoses.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by aristus »

prepend wrote: post #31
aristus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty clear that cops are staging a slowdown strike. They are one of the few industries where they get more money when their KPIs go south.

I think pretty much all essential/monopoly/government industries get more money when kpis go south- health, education, sanitation, etc. Pretty much all essential services get more funding when kpis go south. And I think that’s usually because lack of resources make kpis go south. Take a great teacher with 20 kids in their class. Make the class size 40 and KPIs will go down. Does that teacher become bad?

Usually because of lack of resources, perhaps. But that's not what's happening here with cops. It's deliberate.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by pfannkuchen »

msrenee wrote: post #17
pfannkuchen wrote: post #4

Why does the lead photo prominently feature a “racism is a sin” sign and the article immediately mentions PoC victims in Oakland? Isn’t the vast majority of PoC victimhood in Oakland intraracial? Not many Klansmen walking around Oakland. Annoying race baiting from NPR.

That's presumably the sign outside the church of the pastor they interviewed. He puts up wooden crosses for each homicide. Makes sense if you've read the article.

Yes, I read the explanation. The actual explanation has no racial component. The sign, and NPR prominently featuring the sign, implies that the explanation does have a racial component, even though it does not. Hence my complaint.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by SoftTalker »

hawski wrote: post #27
angarg12 wrote: post #19

It always struck me as ironic that "the perfect murder" is such a big trope in fiction, while in real life an astonishing number of them go unsolved.

I think most (or at least significant portion of) perfect murders from fiction are murders of someone significant or the motive seems to be evident.

I agree. And in real life, when the deceased is at least somewhat known, and there is a clear motive, a suspect is usually identified.

When a nobody is gunned down on a dark street corner in the middle of the night, for no apparent reason, and nobody in the area will talk to the cops, there isn't much that will lead to any suspects.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by Loquebantur »

version_five wrote: post #25
privatedan wrote: post #22

Was on a jury for a murder trial dec 2021. The trial gave me a new found respect for how trials are conducted, what evidence is allowed in, how defendants are protected, and the general thought and reasoning behind it all. Then, the jury deliberated and I lost a ton of respect for the ability of a jury of my peers to logically reason and responsibly decide. It was an absolute shit show in false pretenses, irrational…

Your anecdote sounds like an example of the system working to me. I'm absolutely sure your assessment is correct: I lost a ton of respect for the ability of a jury of my peers to logically reason and responsibly decide People as a rule are horrible at logical thinking. But that's absolutely the right side to err on. Much better for twelve people to have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. Put another way, it's…

People "not being logical" renders their decisions random. Or biased in case, some common cause for such biased thinking is present. Like prejudice towards skin colors, poverty or whatever.

The former case results in GP's tie, the latter in the absurdly skewed prison population the US is known for.

People are horrible at logical thinking.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by gregraygun »

bertil wrote: post #34

That article doesn’t mention any number, and I was curious how that compared to suicides and road deaths. There are 7.8 homicides per 100,000 people, so about 26k per year. That’s staggering. There were 46,412 suicides among adults in 2021. 37,461 people were killed on the roads. Given how frequent are hit-and-runs with accidents, I expected it to be more common in deadly situations, but it seems to be the opposite:…

Thanks, makes you really think. No, I don't want to have people getting away with murder, but these numbers tell a lot. I wonder what the 'more getting away with murder' numbers look like if we start comparing to population increases rather than just last years numbers?

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Post by schaefer »

privatedan wrote: post #22

Was on a jury for a murder trial dec 2021. The trial gave me a new found respect for how trials are conducted, what evidence is allowed in, how defendants are protected, and the general thought and reasoning behind it all. Then, the jury deliberated and I lost a ton of respect for the ability of a jury of my peers to logically reason and responsibly decide. It was an absolute shit show in false pretenses, irrational…

Different trial (attempted murder), but I too was on a Jury.

At the start of deliberation, it was an even split. Towards the end of deliberation it was 11/12 in favor of returning a verdict of guilty.

However... One juror opened up some bizarre Pandora's box arguing against the fundamental knowability of the universe. How could any fact truly be "known"?

At times, I love conversations like that. But not when a man has been stabbed twelve times and directly pointed to the defendant.

Our jury was hung.

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