Is this like when pedophiles claim they're part of the LGBTQ+ community?
Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
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Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a BTC developer could be rubber-hose compelled by the legal system to publish a patch > you are right that people would probably fork and not update One of us is misunderstanding how the Bitcoin core works. You're correct that a BTC developer could be compelled to publish a "bad patch", but nobody is obligated to accept it. If it's sufficiently controversial (eg. "accept my new ledger!"), there wouldn't even need t…
I totally may be misunderstanding. I see that developers and miners work with and for each other because of their mutual stake in the network (there is some "trustless." :)) I think if even 1 developer has a court order for them to push to master, it will happen whether anyone wants it to, since GitHub is already known to mindlessly abide by government requests. (see popcorntime dmca) The people who merge or pull the…
No, it will not happen since a majority of the devs are US-based and developers in the US can't be compelled to produce speech in the USA. Neither will it matter even if someone with push commits pushes a theft-branch to the github repository, since nobody would run it.
> The question of who is forking and is who isn't raises from 50%/50% to 25%/75% until the numerator approaches zero. For the sake of networking the question isn't "whether I want to accept this patch" but "whether I think most people will accept this patch."
This is false, no. There are literally tens of thousands nodes worldwide and achieving a worldwide-jurisdiction hostile patch push when compelled speech is illegal in many developed nations would be essentially impossible, and I would be glad to bet you impossible unless Bitcoin were already dead. In any event you're presuming nobody would be able to mount a legal defence in the first place against illegal court orders.
A hardfork change of this nature literally requires global, immediate, coordinated roll-out, or it will simply fail. There's a reason why there have been no contentious hard forks in the entire history of Bitcoin.
> For the miners to have leverage with developers they need to be able to take over the code themselves. The next set of developers will have this issue, ad infinitum, unless the cycle is broken somehow.
This is a fantasist scenario, completely at odds with reality. There are literally hundreds of billions of dollars wrapped up in Bitcoin. That block of wealth and capability won't just sit there and be pushed to run something that would literally wipe them all out overnight. It's fantasist nonsense.
The scenario of one bloc or another demanding some change or other is similarly nonsensical due very specifically to the carefully-curated decentralization of Bitcoin and the nature of its consensus—again, the hard forks you are envisioning have a zero chance of being committed as locally-compelled speech, let alone by some legal jurisdiction attempting to compel tens of thousands of people worldwide into running backdoored software which literally none of them would consensually run. Like it's nonsense.
Similarly, miners who produce blocks which reassign any money without cryptographic signatures behind the money will be very simply, producing blocks which are the exact same thing as not producing blocks at all.
At this point, with the newness of your account and your odd half-blind awareness of how Bitcoin works, I'm going to presume you're not actually discussing this in good faith.
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not just a HM user, that's Gregory Maxwell who was the main Bitcoin developer after Gavin Andresen left. Maxwell has is own history of drama, but I can certainly agree with him that Craig Wright sucks.
> who was the main Bitcoin developer I'm flattered, but that's not so! I was a relatively insignificant developer (e.g. 163 mostly minor commits to a project that has had >24k)-- though I've been frequently targeted in public, in part due to my own error in choosing to discuss Bitcoin with naysayers rather than just ignoring them. If you wanted to call me an formally outspoken Bitcoin philosopher, I wouldn't argue! B…
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m confused, is the French fighting spirit supposed to symbolize the validity of the lawsuits in this analogy?
I'm pretty sure the french fighting spirit is burning shit in the streets when they try and raise the pension age.
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the fire is not on your side. It's on the money's side. So really, it's just money vs money. Or specifically, YOUR money vs billionaire's money. Who do you think will win that fight? The fundamental flaw of the court system is that it's biased towards those who have money due to how politics work. Here's food for thought, why isn't Prince Andrew in any serious trouble regarding the Epstein rapes? I don't know…
I’m confused, is the French fighting spirit supposed to symbolize the validity of the lawsuits in this analogy?
The only fight worth fighting is one where you stand shoulder to shoulder. The French are doing just that. And even though their government passed the pension age raise, they're still fighting. Because at the end of the day, who did they pass that for? Not for the working class. Look at how fast they got it out without regard to what their citizens were saying.
If you were to fight that in court, not only would you be fighting billionaire funded defense lawyers, but it'll take years and ... ? You see the discrepancy? They're fast to pass laws favorable to billionaires, but for the people? It takes years?
Don't waste money on courts. Real change comes from blood and solidarity. Workers in the past have died for our benefits today.
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is a lie—in terms of funds being controlled specifically absent owner signatures, by the developers, how did even Bitcoin Cash set such a precedent? In fact, there are specific counter-examples with Jeff Garzik's godmode patches which were so roundly denied and rejected that they were DOA. Ethereum is irrelevant because of how much total premine it was and how they misrepresented it, and misrepresented the invol…
It wasn't a lie. What's the direct counter-evidence for the key ownership? I was not aware of that. I saw someone comment above that one of the keys in question signed a message saying that they were not Wright, which is a good example for that particular key. My comment you replied to specifically mentioned a scenario where the key owner did not defend themself. So we are talking about different scenarios. In any ca…
The direct counter-evidence against Craig's claimed key ownership are the facts that many of his claimed addresses signed that he was a fraud, that Wizsec showed that the 1feex address was actually stolen MtGox funds (and nothing to with Craig at all,) the court records of Klein v. Wright showing he completely made up the list of claimed addresses by instructing Shadders (a shoddy programmer from nChain) to construct the list entirely algorithmically from broken precepts.
So no, it wasn't just "one" key. It was dozens.
(Lots of addresses that Craig claimed were his, signing that Wright is a fraud): https://craigwright.lol/
(An outline of why the 1feex are entirely NOT Wright's Bitcoins): https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoi... https://blog.wizsec.jp/2020/06/mtgox-march-2011-theft.html
(An ultra-early miner, maybe the second miner, signing his own early blocks proving they aren't Craig's, either): https://twitter.com/druidian/status/1447833107143483393
You are doing a slippery thing here by claiming that your directly-falsifiable statement about Bitcoin Cash being a "precedent" where "developers control the funds"—while now in the above statement claiming that this was actually in regards to Satoshi likely not stepping up to defend his own key ownership—is somehow related.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, or else you could show me even a single instance where Bitcoin Cash moved funds absent its owner's key signature—which is entirely what this entire thing is about, namely a court case where Wright is suing to attempt to force a backdoor into Bitcoin which would move funds specifically to his possession without a key owner's signature (or a coinbase pay.)
Finally: reasons why you don't have any idea what you're talking about, itemized:
1) You didn't know that Bitcoin Cash never moved funds without a coinbase payout or a key owner's signature but asserted it did.
2) You didn't know about the direct evidence of Craig's claimed keys being owned by other people.
3) You don't know how hard forks work because you think that hard forks can happen gradually and that pressure from minor buy-in can push it to adoption.
Aside from the DAO (which is irrelevant because Ethereum is a scam) you haven't had a very good batting average in general, and for Bitcoin, it's atrocious.
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#47Or, that Dorsey has initiated litigation against Wright to steal his patent portfolio here: https://www.opencrypto.org/
Dorsey is a sociopath.
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m confused, is the French fighting spirit supposed to symbolize the validity of the lawsuits in this analogy?
No, I'm saying the only way to actually fight back is not through a system that's already inherently corrupt. You'll never win that fight, you'll just end up losing your hard earned savings. The only fight worth fighting is one where you stand shoulder to shoulder. The French are doing just that. And even though their government passed the pension age raise, they're still fighting. Because at the end of the day, who…
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wasn't a lie. What's the direct counter-evidence for the key ownership? I was not aware of that. I saw someone comment above that one of the keys in question signed a message saying that they were not Wright, which is a good example for that particular key. My comment you replied to specifically mentioned a scenario where the key owner did not defend themself. So we are talking about different scenarios. In any ca…
It is a lie, since Bitcoin Cash never moved funds that weren't signed by their owners. You're going to have to prove that, now, or admit you overspoke. The direct counter-evidence against Craig's claimed key ownership are the facts that many of his claimed addresses signed that he was a fraud, that Wizsec showed that the 1feex address was actually stolen MtGox funds (and nothing to with Craig at all,) the court recor…
Re: Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund is fighting for the future of open source software
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not just a HM user, that's Gregory Maxwell who was the main Bitcoin developer after Gavin Andresen left. Maxwell has is own history of drama, but I can certainly agree with him that Craig Wright sucks.
> who was the main Bitcoin developer I'm flattered, but that's not so! I was a relatively insignificant developer (e.g. 163 mostly minor commits to a project that has had >24k)-- though I've been frequently targeted in public, in part due to my own error in choosing to discuss Bitcoin with naysayers rather than just ignoring them. If you wanted to call me an formally outspoken Bitcoin philosopher, I wouldn't argue! B…
There are probably many new users of Bitcoin who don't know about Faketoshi. It's utter insanity that such lawsuits are possible, the Bitcoin community must rally to support you guys.