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Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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How about the guy right now who's blowing the whistle on favored IRS treatment of Hunter Biden? Does he count, too? https://abcnews.go.com/US/irs-whistleblower-told-congress-hu...

...of course? If he's correct? Who would ever argue he wouldn't count?

But I don't know what your point is in picking one potential whistleblowing example out of thousands. Let's not inject partisan politics where there's no need for it. Whistleblowing has nothing to do with being right-wing or left-wing.

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you live in Russia if you have no other options.

Vindman didn't flee to Russia, he also didn't get tricked by a foreign nation. He's a real whistleblower.

Vindman lied to advance the interests of the security state, which attempted for more than four years to get rid of an elected official. The only difference is unlike all the endless parade of false “anonymous official says this”, Vindman was exposed, and his report was not just false but widely reported to be so, unlike many of the others.

That’s not whistleblowing. It’s a (high ranking) government agent attempting to use his power to manipulate the public for the security state (literally one of the elite as a member of the National Security Council) and in opposition to democratic processes. Once again: a government agent “whistleblew” a lie in an attempt to bring down an elected official.

NB: this comment is not an endorsement of the elected official.

Edit: I just learned today that Vindman was born in Ukraine, which also rather changes the color of his “whistleblowing.”

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Greenwald there were millions of pages, largely because everything from parking spaces to nuclear weapons were frivolously marked "top secret" in order to increase the perceived importance of bureaucrats. Snowden gave the pile to the Guardian (Greenwald and another journalist), who decided what to publish, which was a major task because of all the unimportant stuff. How could Snowden have gone through th…

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He sent the documents to be filtered by trusted journalists working for one of the worlds number one investigative newspapers. It’s not like he sold them to the Daily Mail

There’s a slight irony in your comment about his performance reviews - how did that get out? Apparently leaking isn’t always a problem :)

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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It’s a travesty that Edward Snowden is still a fugitive in the United States. James Clapper went in front of congress and lied about the scope of surveillance on US citizens. Snowden saw it as his moral obligation to expose those lies, and he did it in the least destructive way possible by leaking the evidence to qualified journalists.

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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There is a saying goes like this, "85% of people on earth are followers, 10% are leaders or creators, or manipulators and 5% are observers. The followers need something to follow or believe so the creators capitalize on that and take advantage of their desire to be lead. The observers see everything that's going on and can ruin everything for the 10% but, the 85% label the 5% crazy or plan to get rid of them because…

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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I continue to maintain that Snowden was one of the greatest American patriots in decades.

There are many leakers that deliberately act with the intention to harm the state; That wasn't Snowden - he threw away his life to stage an intervention.

Why has he been left to rot in a dictatorship?

I'd say sign a pardon for the man, but unless he can get out of Russia there's a damned good chance that things would only get worse for him.

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vindman didn't flee to Russia, he also didn't get tricked by a foreign nation. He's a real whistleblower.

Vindman lied to advance the interests of the security state, which attempted for more than four years to get rid of an elected official. The only difference is unlike all the endless parade of false “anonymous official says this”, Vindman was exposed, and his report was not just false but widely reported to be so, unlike many of the others. That’s not whistleblowing. It’s a (high ranking) government agent attempting…

Was this before or after working with pizzagate?

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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It’s a travesty that Edward Snowden is still a fugitive in the United States. James Clapper went in front of congress and lied about the scope of surveillance on US citizens. Snowden saw it as his moral obligation to expose those lies, and he did it in the least destructive way possible by leaking the evidence to qualified journalists.

It's even worse than it appears... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/over-10000-fbi-agents-ca...

Over 25 per cent (at the least) of FBI employees can access secret databases on people.

'In his investigation, Horowitz found that none of the 29 randomly chosen queries had been carried out properly or legally. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) said from an earlier conversation with Horowitz that in 25 of the cases, “there was unsupported, uncorroborated, or inconsistent information.” The FBI couldn’t even produce the relevant investigative files in the other four.'

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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It’s a travesty that Edward Snowden is still a fugitive in the United States. James Clapper went in front of congress and lied about the scope of surveillance on US citizens. Snowden saw it as his moral obligation to expose those lies, and he did it in the least destructive way possible by leaking the evidence to qualified journalists.

I disagree that he did it in the least destructive way possible. He revealed far more secrets than were necessary to blow the whistle. Just take a look at the list of secrets he revealed. Most of them are not about domestic spying at all: https://www.lawfareblog.com/snowden-revelations If he wanted to blow the whistle on domestic spying, he could have shared documents with journalists about domestic spying.

As a non-USAer I'm so glad he went beyond domestic spying. He showed the world how the USA spied on many of its supposed allies. The scope of the system of espionage they built is orwellian and just astonishing.

If there is one evil force conspiring for global domination that is the NSA and whichever institution they take order from. Thanks again, Snowden.

What I don't understand is the complete lack of response from countries like Italy and Germany once they found out being spied by an ally. Imagine what the USA would have done if the roles were reversed.

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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It’s a travesty that Edward Snowden is still a fugitive in the United States. James Clapper went in front of congress and lied about the scope of surveillance on US citizens. Snowden saw it as his moral obligation to expose those lies, and he did it in the least destructive way possible by leaking the evidence to qualified journalists.

I disagree that he did it in the least destructive way possible. He revealed far more secrets than were necessary to blow the whistle. Just take a look at the list of secrets he revealed. Most of them are not about domestic spying at all: https://www.lawfareblog.com/snowden-revelations If he wanted to blow the whistle on domestic spying, he could have shared documents with journalists about domestic spying.

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