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Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Re: Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Post by simfoo »

[deleted] wrote: post #9
simfoo wrote: post #7

As a German, I consider this a desperate attempt to dilute the efforts of the opposition to organize nationwide rallies on saturday. The move just seems too perfectly timed... (Edit: the keyword here is 'for now')

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I wouldn't call her a leftist, she's just the last liberal who knows what liberalism means. And the move didn't come from her but the federal foreign office.

Re: Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Post by jwr »

Go Germany! So it seems there is hope yet. The noise about ACTA in Poland is still growing and politicians are beginning to notice this is a much bigger deal than they thought. Especially as the leading party just went down several percent in polls.

This can now be stopped at the EU level, which will not be easy, but is doable.

Re: Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Post by tehayj »

armher wrote: post #8

Don't let yourselves be fooled - not only in Germany is it a common method by the government to undermine protests, to call them successful, sit out the fallout, then try again when public attention is focused on other events (like, a football cup or olympic games). I hope noone will withdraw their call for protest tomorrow. As Germany is one of the most infuencial countries in the EU, we should also show solidarity…

Its not a common method in Germany. No idea where you come from but if you would know a bit about Germany then you would understand that there democracy still kind of works (unlike in the US for example).

Re: Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Post by Hackura »

tehayj wrote: post #17
armher wrote: post #8

Don't let yourselves be fooled - not only in Germany is it a common method by the government to undermine protests, to call them successful, sit out the fallout, then try again when public attention is focused on other events (like, a football cup or olympic games). I hope noone will withdraw their call for protest tomorrow. As Germany is one of the most infuencial countries in the EU, we should also show solidarity…

Its not a common method in Germany. No idea where you come from but if you would know a bit about Germany then you would understand that there democracy still kind of works (unlike in the US for example).

But he is absolutly right. As a german i can say: there is no real democracy here, just the choice between the bad and the bold.

But well, of course, it's way better than most other pseudo-democracys.

Re: Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)

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Post by mhd »

mduerksen wrote: post #10
[deleted] wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Sadly, not true. Leutheuser-Schnarrenberger has explicitly spoken in favor of ACTA just a few days ago. See this German link: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bundesregierung-sieht...

In favor of ratifying ACTA, I'd say. IANAL, but as far as I know, current German law qualifies for most of the ACTA agreements already, so just passing it wouldn't change things per se. The bigger issue here is ACTA as a signal.

So I can understand her somewhat. If ACTA would've been yet another EU regulation passed without much fuss and recognition, it would've been better to focus on actual laws, where Leutheuser-Schnarrenberger still has to fight basically the rest of the government over data retention (I really dread the next government's actions here).

It's probably better this way, though. Any show that the public actually cares matters a lot.

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