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A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by endisneigh »

throwaway473825 wrote: post #70
endisneigh wrote: post #64

Interesting to compare this thread with the banning gas one in New York. In general once you accept the government making decisions for you “for your best interest”, don’t be shocked once they start doing things you disagree with. This is why I generally do not support any bans dictated by the government. In this case it’s difficult to find a reasonable solution that’s not draconian. You could tell parents to use scr…

It's also interesting to compare which countries have banned gas in new buildings (the Nordics, the Netherlands) and which countries have draconian surveillance (China, Russia).

United States also has draconian surveillance, as well as the UK and several EU countries- or was that your point?

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by endisneigh »

_8j50 wrote: post #63
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents don’t do that and nobody is going to be able to enforce a law specifically against them

It can be enforced when other parents,teachers,etc... find out. I will give you all an example, cyberbullying is illegal right? Yet it happens a lot but making it illegal and when caught, punishing offending kids has reduced the volume (where such laws exist). No ominous backdoor involved.

> Yet it happens a lot but making it illegal and when caught, punishing offending kids has reduced the volume (where such laws exist). No ominous backdoor involved.

Source?

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by fwn »

echelon wrote: post #52
htag wrote: post #39

This is movement is going to be widely regarded as on of the largest prohibitions in our era. * Whatever verification system a user has to do to prove they are older than 13 will also being to freak users out about 'whoes listening'. It's insane to think a First Name, Last Name, and Address might be tied to _every reddit account_. * That data will be used for government surveillance. Maybe I should start creating a h…

> verification system a user has to do to prove they are older than 13 Once LLM-powered bots flood social media [1], websites will have to implement verification as a means of survival. [1] That hasn't even really begun. Wait until ChatGPT+ capabilities can be run from home at next to zero cost.

I read this a lot, but I don't get it. ...and I don't get the implied paradigm shift that's supposed to happen with better text generators.

If people generate better content with bots, that's a good thing. If the content people generate with bots is worse, then they're not going to be successful with it.

If bad content outperforms good content, that would be a problem for the social network. ... but that would be a problem regardless of the tools used to create that content.

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by endisneigh »

fwn wrote: post #73
echelon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> verification system a user has to do to prove they are older than 13 Once LLM-powered bots flood social media [1], websites will have to implement verification as a means of survival. [1] That hasn't even really begun. Wait until ChatGPT+ capabilities can be run from home at next to zero cost.

I read this a lot, but I don't get it. ...and I don't get the implied paradigm shift that's supposed to happen with better text generators. If people generate better content with bots, that's a good thing. If the content people generate with bots is worse, then they're not going to be successful with it. If bad content outperforms good content, that would be a problem for the social network. ... but that would be a p…

The point of social media is to interact with real people, no?

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by fwn »

endisneigh wrote: post #74
fwn wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this a lot, but I don't get it. ...and I don't get the implied paradigm shift that's supposed to happen with better text generators. If people generate better content with bots, that's a good thing. If the content people generate with bots is worse, then they're not going to be successful with it. If bad content outperforms good content, that would be a problem for the social network. ... but that would be a p…

The point of social media is to interact with real people, no?

Personally, I engage with hacker news for the content, not the people. It's the thoughts, opinions, narrations, and arguments that I enjoy consuming and contributing to.

How would my position in this argument be any less valuable if it turned out that I automated it with the help of a text generator?

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by endisneigh »

fwn wrote: post #75
endisneigh wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of social media is to interact with real people, no?

Personally, I engage with hacker news for the content, not the people. It's the thoughts, opinions, narrations, and arguments that I enjoy consuming and contributing to. How would my position in this argument be any less valuable if it turned out that I automated it with the help of a text generator?

That’s interesting. I come here for content specifically posted by real people. If for instance you were a LLM and I knew this I wouldn’t even bother replying.

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by jqpabc123 »

forinti wrote: post #66
traveler01 wrote: post #61

Why are always these US politicans talking about banning something? This decisions should only be up to the parents, not someone in DC...

Should it be up to parents if children drink or smoke? I don't think so. Furthermore, peer pressure is very strong, and children and adolescents will make your life miserable if they can't have what everyone else has. So it would be a lot easier if nobody else had social media.

Should it be up to parents if children drink or smoke? I don't think so.

Whether you want to accept it or not, it really is up to the parents.

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by zarzavat »

forinti wrote: post #68
goatlover wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should there be age restrictions once you're legally an adult at 18? 21 is unnecessarily puritanical (EU countries don't have that) and most teenagers are going to drink anyway, just as they're going to find a way to bypass age verifications for their social media of choice.

Maybe the law could have different ages for beer and distilled spirits. Let the kids have a beer at 16 or 18. I have the same feeling about motorcycles. The age for riding them should be a bit later, when you've acquired some sense. Maybe 21 or even 24.

This is essentially the law in the UK. To be able to drive a motorcycle of unrestricted size you need to be 24, or have worked you way up by holding a license for a smaller size class.

The difference is that driving is a privilege not a right (riding a motorcycle especially so), as you are endangering the lives of others.

Re: A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media

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Post by sycamoretrees »

I'm all for it, though I won't comment on this bill in particular, which seems to be lacking.

There are, of course, ways to implement this that don't include sending even more personal data to social media companies. The most obvious way, for starters, would be through a government app or system that simply tells Facebook "This user is over the age of 13" without sending over any more information.

The reality is that we do need to do something about the issue, just like how porn shouldn't be freely available to literal children. It's an inevitable consequence of the internet moving into the very center of our lives.

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