Blanket ban anyone under 14 from having an online account, IMHO.
A US Bill Would Ban Kids Under 13 from Joining Social Media
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#12Which social networks do they have on mind? Facebook, Instagram, Twitter do not allow children under 13 to register an account due to already existing legislation (COPPA).
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#13This seems like it would have been a great idea about thirty years ago, but would be functionally impossible to even try to enforce working from scratch today.
How would it be functionally impossible?
At one point kids could buy cigarettes.
Now, across hundreds of thousands of stores, they can't.
There's only a few social media sites, it's seems infinitely easier. Trivial even.
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#14This seems like it would have been a great idea about thirty years ago, but would be functionally impossible to even try to enforce working from scratch today.
Ah, yes, the famous social network platforms of 1993. More to the point, go on the internet and lie.
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#15Right, and how will they determine what a social media site is? People in power don't get it because they're mostly from the generation when the Internet hadn't yet taken over every aspect of civilization. Trying to impose a ban is such a lazy and naive solution. Kids will find alternatives. There are thousands of options for kids to go online and interact with one another. My guess would be that video games would be…
Snore. It's the same argument as always from absolutists. If most adult people can't handle the web in it's current how should kids? Do you believe kids are harder to scam than your granny? 2
I don't get your comment, maybe you could clarify. Kids know technology better than older people, yes. Scamming is already illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. Banning kids from social media will not work, other apps and games will just add features that will essentially provide the same experience. The fact that kids are suffering from social pressure is a human problem, not a tech problem.
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#16This seems like it would have been a great idea about thirty years ago, but would be functionally impossible to even try to enforce working from scratch today.
How would it be functionally impossible? At one point kids could buy cigarettes. Now, across hundreds of thousands of stores, they can't. There's only a few social media sites, it's seems infinitely easier. Trivial even.
When you buy cigarettes in a store, you normally get carded.
It stands to reason that an equivalent online system would require a similar online solution; most people are not particularly enthused by the idea of having to present an ID to consume any information that could potentially considered to fall under “social media.”
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#17In other words, US bill will *require* all social media to violate user privacy.
How? Because they take the burden of the companies to age verify their users? Right now they really argue that a kid should have read the ToS and get of Scots free if something happens on their platform.
Yeah just give a scan of your ID to Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, WhatsApp, TikTok, Snapchat, etc
There is absolutely no chance that it will ever get leaked, misused or stored unencrypted
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#18This seems a bit too far reaching of a legislative act under the guise of protecting the children.
Surely we could come up with a solution that isn't an outright ban? Especially as technology has become so commonplace and many of our social interactions happen in digital spaces.
In any case, maybe it would be interesting to evaluate how other countries have approached these problems. I know that in South Korea you need a government ID to play certain multiplayer videogames, it would be interesting to explore the impact of these systems and what lessons can be gleamed.
Since I'm not a parent myself I haven't really considered the problem domain with much care or consideration, but maybe some hacker parents could share their thoughts and insights as they've dealt with the existing ecosystem?
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#19Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to simply have parental education around the harms of social media for kids under age XYZ? I mean, I’m all in favor of the goals of this bill. I think social media is a horrible negative for people of all ages, but especially children since they largely don’t have the mental capability to defend against the smartest people in the world trying to hijack their brains. But I can’t see h…
How is parental education going for "don't do drugs" or "don't commit crimes"?
Generally pretty well considering that those who you describe are a small subset of society. Though plenty of news networks would like to convince you otherwise because scare stories attract viewers more than “society is generally doing ok” style stories.
I do take issues with the drug laws in a lot of countries though. They are, in part, based around marginalising individuals rather than protecting people from harm. But this is a whole other discussion.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Snore. It's the same argument as always from absolutists. If most adult people can't handle the web in it's current how should kids? Do you believe kids are harder to scam than your granny? 2
I don't get your comment, maybe you could clarify. Kids know technology better than older people, yes. Scamming is already illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. Banning kids from social media will not work, other apps and games will just add features that will essentially provide the same experience. The fact that kids are suffering from social pressure is a human problem, not a tech problem.
Social pressure from a local group is one thing. From a global group, selected by algorithm for unknown reasons, another thing entirely.