New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

Post by jnwatson » Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 9:53 PM UTC

iamdamian wrote: post #365

This regulation feels quite frustrating to me, and several comments in this thread illustrate why. This change is being promoted as a critical step in the fight against climate change. (See most news articles over the past two years covering this.) But when you dig into the details, it seems like the regulation may not have much effect on climate change at all. When you point this out to advocates, you'll get an enti…

Post by ilikehurdles » Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

seanalltogether wrote: post #395

iamdamian wrote: post #365

This regulation feels quite frustrating to me, and several comments in this thread illustrate why. This change is being promoted as a critical step in the fight against climate change. (See most news articles over the past two years covering this.) But when you dig into the details, it seems like the regulation may not have much effect on climate change at all. When you point this out to advocates, you'll get an enti…

> But when you dig into the details, it seems like the change may not have much effect on climate change at all. Are you saying that if we got rid of all gas burning appliances in homes, that would not have much effect on climate change?

Post by pgodzin » Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 9:57 PM UTC

annexrichmond wrote: post #372

unethical_ban wrote: post #104

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The ... ahem, administrators of Fox News and the Conservative media bubble told their flock that 87,000 IRS federal agents were being hired to come to everyone's houses (Conservatives first though) to remove all AR-15s and gas appliances as soon as possible, probably after Kamala Harris orchestrates Biden's removal from office via the 25th amendment so she, famous trans progressive, can implement the true LiberalTM a…

> Conservative media bubble told their flock that 87,000 IRS federal agents were being hired to come to everyone's houses Did they actually say that, cause that sounds pretty hyperbolic to what their narrative actually was, which is that 87k agents were being hired which would effectively be targeting middle class and small businesses, instead of big corps. I have friends who were were wrongfully audited, and it’s a…

Post by tcfhgj » Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 9:59 PM UTC

speakfreely wrote: post #410

seanalltogether wrote: post #395

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> But when you dig into the details, it seems like the change may not have much effect on climate change at all. Are you saying that if we got rid of all gas burning appliances in homes, that would not have much effect on climate change?

Did you know that almost 40% of NYC's electricity grid is powered by natural gas? Another 30% from nuclear and ~20% from hydroelectric. Since nuclear and hydroelectric can't be immediately stepped up, what do you think is going to be increased to generate power for all these new electrical appliances that will be drawing power from the grid? The heat transfer and energy loss of electrical appliances generally makes t…

Post by 71a54xd » Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 9:59 PM UTC

none_to_remain wrote: post #277

hotpotamus wrote: post #54

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Is that to say there's a municipal steam power system of some sort? That's pretty alien to me, but it reminds me that there was a municipal hydraulic system in London before the advent of electricity that industrial users used for energy.

I think that comment is just referring to power plants using steam turbines to generate electricity. But there is also a stream distribution system in NYC. My apartment complex has heat and hot water from Con Edison (power company) steam.