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Too many people take too many pills

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Re: Too many people take too many pills

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I'm the same. It's just human nature to not want to expend effort. We love excuses, like - I'm too stressed, to busy etc. - but quite often, they're just that - convenient excuses.

All humans in environment A get fat, develop heart disease, and are depressed. All humans in environment B are lean, live long lives without medication, and are happy. The only logical conclusion: everyone in environment A is lazy or otherwise morally deficient.

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Re: Too many people take too many pills

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All humans in environment A get fat, develop heart disease, and are depressed. All humans in environment B are lean, live long lives without medication, and are happy. The only logical conclusion: everyone in environment A is lazy or otherwise morally deficient.

> All humans in environment A get fat, develop heart disease, and are depressed There's plenty of non-obese people in the world.

There are also plenty of w@nkers in the world.

You're a decent category example.

Have a great day.

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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I expect my doctor to give me the best medical care. If that's telling me to make a lifestyle change, that's what I want (whether I follow his advice is an independent issue). I 100% don't want a doctor to give me medication that isn't necessary.

I’ll tell you what your doctor might not be telling you: - 30 minutes of cardio, 3x a week is a bare minimum. The more cardio the better, so consider endurance sports. - Resistance training is necessary too, and can be done at home with no equipment - Get at least 10 minutes of sunlight right after you get up or right after the sun comes rises, even if it’s cloudy, if possible - Don’t drink more than 2 drinks in a da…

I don't think 30 mins, 3 times a week of exercise is remotely close

only stretching back a few decades, my grandfather was working his own land as a subsistence farmer without much "automation"...probably doing the equivalent of three hours of CrossFit a day, basically every day. looking back at pics of him now...he was strapped, even in his late 70s (what was also known as "normal").

my genetics probably come from hundreds of generations of people who led similar lives, yours too

I achieved my "normal" body weight with a minimum of two+ hours per day, every day, of exercise...just like all of my ancestors who shaped my genes

90 mins a week is probably not enough to even slow down weight gain, we are dramatically underestimating how much exercise we need, and dramatically underestimating how much we need to clean up our diets...in 1880 basically anyone doing subsistence farming (most people) was the equivalent of a CrossFit nut with a "clean" diet...everyone

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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I'm being real. Lots of people work 10-12 hours a day. How are they supposed to shop and cook for only fresh and healthy food, as well as do 30 minutes of rigorous cardio per day, in the remaining four hours a day when they're not asleep? What if they have family obligations?

Most people do not work 10-12 hours a day. Those who do have far bigger problems than regular exercise.

In the US it is fairly common.

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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This article would be much more informative if it told us more about categories of pills (or diseases), how frequently they are taken, and the ages of the people who take them. Almost half the US population has hypertension [0], and 19 million have stage 2 hypertension -- those people should be on drugs. Each year, 800,000 Americans have a stroke, and another 800,000 have a heart attack -- these people should be on drugs. My doctor's office has me on more than 5 drugs, but I only take 2 regularly -- the others are for specific short term conditions (e.g. poison ivy). In general, statins, aspirin, and anti-hypertension drugs cost effectively save lives.

I have no doubt that there are too many people who take too many pills, but there are also too many people who should be taking medication and are not. The article does not make a strong case that, for a given age group, we are being over medicated.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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Too many people also don't take enough pills - because they can't afford them.

Myself, friends and family all have untreated conditions and aren't getting preventative care because the out-of-pocket cost of meds and treatments are more than their total earnings. Due for Shingles vaccine? $400. Need an inpatient visit to resolve something before it becomes serious? $2800.

Five hundred here, $5000 there and pretty soon healthcare becomes an alternative to housing.

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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All humans in environment A get fat, develop heart disease, and are depressed. All humans in environment B are lean, live long lives without medication, and are happy. The only logical conclusion: everyone in environment A is lazy or otherwise morally deficient.

> All humans in environment A get fat, develop heart disease, and are depressed There's plenty of non-obese people in the world.

> There's plenty of non-obese people in the world

yes, over 9000

but more than half people are overweight in developed countries, so this has become the norm

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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LOL what? Where did all this "lords and peasant" nonsense come from? Come back to reality, Eli.

I'm being real. Lots of people work 10-12 hours a day. How are they supposed to shop and cook for only fresh and healthy food, as well as do 30 minutes of rigorous cardio per day, in the remaining four hours a day when they're not asleep? What if they have family obligations?

In the developing world, where highly processed food is usually too expensive for a normal family to live on, people cook regularly. Like, every day.

How come? They certainly don't work any fewer hours than Westerners do.

Re: Too many people take too many pills

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I hate these articles. While yes, this is true, it's also true that _many_ people have severe, untreated illness that they're just "toughing it out." My friend with BPD ruined his life because he's "stronger than the disorder, I don't need to take my meds" Spent millions foolishly, genius engineer - horrible story. Easily fixed.

There is a fine and very important distinction to be made here. If you have a health problem, you should do your best to get exercise, eat healthy, etc. However, that doesn't mean medicines are wasteful or pointless. People often greatly benefit from them. I've struggled with ADHD, depression, and anxiety my whole life. And indeed, yes, the best treatment I've found is diet, weight training, and long-duration cardio.…

Diet/sleep/exercise/sunlight are always the first step, and if you don’t at least get those, you’ll be hard-pressed to feel decent no matter what else you do, regardless of whether you have other medication-dependent conditions.

That said, there are way too many people out there who have no experience with conditions which require medication, who seem to think that those things are a substitute for medication rather than a baseline that must be kept up alongside medication.

I’m no psychologist, but I tend to assume that a driver to thinking this way might be the sense of safety that comes with self-righteousness. Similar to victim-blaming in crimes, where people pick at the personal faults of crime victims (however slight) in order to reassure themselves that a similar thing couldn’t happen to them. Imo it’s a coping mechanism for a world where long-term suffering can be brought on totally at random.

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