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Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Can anybody explain what is so useful about having absolute pitch? And is there a visual equivalent to perfect pitch? E.g. you see a color and you say it's #f3eb20 ? Or you taste a soup and say it's 2 grams of salt on 1L of soup?

It makes composition easier. By that I mean, I can mentally simulate music and pick out the sequence of tones to write it down in sheet music or a DAW piano roll, and I don't need to 'calibrate' my pitch beforehand.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Is absolute pitch something you would actually want? From what I’ve read as people with absolute pitch get into late middle age in many their reference drifts and they start to perceive music that is in tune as being out of tune. For some this makes it hard to continue to enjoy music.

People with relative pitch can learn specific notes well enough to be able to recognize them given the constraint that the note is being played roughly in tune on an instrument tuned to the common tunings of the music they are familiar with, and they can learn to recognize intervals.

This allows them with practice to identify notes almost as fast as someone with absolute pitch, and allows them to do all the practical musical things people with absolute pitch can do.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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That is a very interesting constellation of symptoms. Thank you for sharing, and I feel for you. I have much acute sensitive hearing response than the rest of my family and friends and it’s a hard thing to explain with no one else notices. For me however it’s a largely positive experience. I am hugely grateful for things like the sounds of frogs, birds, voices I like, movie soundtracks, and for cleanly processed digi…

do you also suffer from ( sometimes socially compromising) misophonia as well? I also have what I consider to be above average hearing sensitivity, although not to the point where artifacts from music compression bother me that much. I don't have an official testing result to prove or define this in quantifiable terms, only that I seem to notice things in the ambient sound environment that most others either don't no…

Exactly as you describe. Agonizing but it sounds insane to people so you can’t say anything. I excuse myself from social situations more than once a week.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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I am a professional musician (bassoon player in a symphony orchestra). I can, if I practice it a couple of times a week, achieve and sustain perfect pitch. I had no semblance of perfect pitch until I decided to practice it at age 24. Before that the only chance I had to guess a note was to put in in relation to my own voice. Even though I don't practice this anymore (it isn't very useful), I still often just instinct…

How does one "practice" perfect pitch? (genuinely asking so I can try it, not trying to make some dumb rhetorical point about it not being possible)

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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post #76

Can anybody explain what is so useful about having absolute pitch? And is there a visual equivalent to perfect pitch? E.g. you see a color and you say it's #f3eb20 ? Or you taste a soup and say it's 2 grams of salt on 1L of soup?

As far as I know there is a similar but probably not exactly the same, "super sellers" - perfume companies hire those with the skill to be their perfumers or "noses".

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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post #76

Can anybody explain what is so useful about having absolute pitch? And is there a visual equivalent to perfect pitch? E.g. you see a color and you say it's #f3eb20 ? Or you taste a soup and say it's 2 grams of salt on 1L of soup?

Even in music it is not that helpful to be honest. Eg. most live shows you tune the instruments to the piano. If the piano is slightly out of tune, someone with perfect pitch will be annoyed the entire time trying to deal with that while everyone else hears a perfectly good concert.

having good relative pitch is way more useful.

Many musicians with perfect pitch have also been really obsessed with tuning in their recordings and it sets off a lot of anxiety for them cause they can hear themselves the smallest amount off, when no one else can and the performance makes it a perfect take to use in the song.

It can be helpful I guess for composing, but as someone who does composing, it's not hard to just tinker with a piano to get the notes I want, no need to be able to perfectly hum them when I think of them.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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My theory and composition teacher in college went through this same thing 100 years ago. I noticed she had a perfect pitch and asked her why. She told an identical story: that, at the kindergarten level, her entire class was taught how to recognize pitches. She was not impressed by her own ability, however, because her sister could identify the pitch of anything IRL, whether you kicked a rock, or you were listening t…

I remember watching a documentary about this savant and his ability was perfect pitch and now you are totally ruining the story.

Lol I hate myself! But I’m sure the doc will be more interesting to you than my teacher’s 1920s kindergarten tales. I found her fascinating though.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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post #76

Can anybody explain what is so useful about having absolute pitch? And is there a visual equivalent to perfect pitch? E.g. you see a color and you say it's #f3eb20 ? Or you taste a soup and say it's 2 grams of salt on 1L of soup?

We have the visual equivalent by default. You can look at something and make a confident determination that it's "red" or "blue", not just that it's "redder than the color next to it".

Kind of, your eyes are doing automatic white balance.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an amateur musician and composer who doesn’t have it, seems like it would be handy for transcription and tuning, but I don’t know what else. You must still be able to “switch modes” to relative, right? Otherwise you couldn’t even hear musical structures the same way, because aside from timbre they’re all relative.

My mom says it’s helpful for her as a music teacher. It was annoying when she tried to teach me piano and she’d be cooking in the kitchen and I’d be playing in the other room and she’d call out when I made a mistake. But that’s probably just because I was an ornery student. Objectively my mom is a fantastic teacher. Her students all do really well in competitions and my nieces love playing with her. I’m sure perfect…

It seems like hearing someone make a mistake, especially on a piano (vs a trombone or violin), isn't related at all to perfect pitch... unless the mistake is playing the whole piece in the wrong key
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