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Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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But the question is who gave this one guy right to surround our earth like this? As the power of individuals grow is there going to be any oversight to ensure a consensus is reached collectively before someone decide to do something like this? I agree that technically it may not be as bad as it looks but just in principle one cannot fathom the level of reach that modern civilization allows to just one person that thi…

Do you think China or Russia would ever agree to a global satellite internet connectivity initiative that allows anyone to easily bypass their information control mechanisms?

Even without notoriously disagreeable players like China and Russia at the table, reaching consensus becomes almost impossible past a certain number of parties involved. If global consensus were required for anything almost nothing would ever get done, and what little did happen would be design-by-committee’d into ineffectiveness.

That’s not to say that individuals should necessarily be able to do whatever they please on things of this scale, but trying to make everybody happy is a great recipe for endless stagnation.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Frequently Commented Questions: Yes, space looks crowded in these visualizations. But the size of the satellites is exaggerated here by thousands of times. Space is huge and the collision risk is extremely low. If displayed at their true size the satellites would not be visible, and indeed the vast majority are not visible in the real life night sky. The exception is recently launched satellites that are still in tra…

But the question is who gave this one guy right to surround our earth like this? As the power of individuals grow is there going to be any oversight to ensure a consensus is reached collectively before someone decide to do something like this? I agree that technically it may not be as bad as it looks but just in principle one cannot fathom the level of reach that modern civilization allows to just one person that thi…

Do you really think Spacex required no permission at all for this? It certainly required approval from the FCC & FAA to launch this so I think you could say that US government gave him the right to do this.

Then you could ask: "Why does the US government have the right to do this?" I think the answer to that is probably the Outer Space Treaty which is signed on by most countries including all major spacefaring nations.

This may have been stopped (and still can be) if there was major uproar among the US populace or by other countries. I don't recall hearing much about that.

In any case, I'm not sure there is a sufficient reason to stop it. The biggest issue that I have heard about is the potential for a negative impact on ground-based astronomy. That's obviously not good, but I'm not sure it's a sufficient reason to stop this.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Frequently Commented Questions: Yes, space looks crowded in these visualizations. But the size of the satellites is exaggerated here by thousands of times. Space is huge and the collision risk is extremely low. If displayed at their true size the satellites would not be visible, and indeed the vast majority are not visible in the real life night sky. The exception is recently launched satellites that are still in tra…

There's several more startups filing to launch their own 10,000+ satellites. The sky is going to be trashed like the scooters littered across every major city's sidewalks, seemed like an acceptable idea on paper by the eager governments beforehand but in reality it just makes an absolute mess that no-one seems to take responsibility for or ever fixes.

It’s worth noting that the only reason that megaconstellations even work as a business model is thanks to telecom giants refusing to develop infrastructure everywhere it’s needed, despite making promises and taking government handouts to do so for decades, as well as being monopolists and obstructing competition where competitors were trying to make good on development promises.

This left a vacuum which is now being filled since LEO is a place where incumbent telecoms have little power to obstruct (though this hasn’t stopped them from trying).

So in my mind, if we want to curb megaconstellations, the best way to do that is to strip telecoms of their monopolist powers and mandate development of fiber infrastructure in the ground, which even the best LEO constellations don’t have so much as a hint of hope of competing with. The economics will cease to make sense and the constellations will be canceled and decommissioned.

We can’t just leave that open vacuum.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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post #7

Frequently Commented Questions: Yes, space looks crowded in these visualizations. But the size of the satellites is exaggerated here by thousands of times. Space is huge and the collision risk is extremely low. If displayed at their true size the satellites would not be visible, and indeed the vast majority are not visible in the real life night sky. The exception is recently launched satellites that are still in tra…

Over all of Germany there where 6 when I looked just now. So yeah, not really crowded :)

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#195

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People like you said the same thing when we built roads, bridges, steam ships, aircraft, and now spacecraft. Instead of bothering those who are building the future, you’re welcome to run off in the woods and LARP as ted kaczynski. It’s certainly preferable to moaning on the internet about how others are “denatured”.

I disagree with that poster as well, but this is a bit of an immature response. People are welcome to have worries about this stuff and it’s better to argue for their arguments being misguided than tell them to go live in the woods if they don’t like it.

At a certain point the only way to get through to people is to respond in a way that matches their maturity level.

When people are saying ridiculous things like "You will be as insouciant, and as clueless, when your much-admired billionaire masters destroy the last remaining living ecosystem" about satellites in LEO you're not dealing with a person with adult emotions.

For one, the last time I checked LEO isn't an ecosystem with living things in it and I can't think of a single ecosystem out there we could destroy. Whatever "ecosystem" that exists in LEO is an ecosystem _we_ created. I guarantee good old "nature" won't be creating life there anytime soon if you're excluding humans from nature.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#196
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Once China launches it's own 13000 satellite in the coming year then we will start hearing about Kessler syndrome. Till then it's a beautiful sight to behold.

First, I assume SpaceX Falcon 9 is the only large resuable rocket in the world. Without reusable rockets, how could any massive array of satellites be economical? (If for military, ignore this post.) Look at all the other big satellite arrays owned by private industry. The return on investment is awful.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#197

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For a slight latency cost, you could always VPN to an endpoint in the cloud with a routable IP address.

It's ridiculous to need to add that many hops just to do something as basic as receive a packet from someone else on the internet.

Well, as was said, you could just pay more for the service that includes a routable IP address.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#198

How long does Dishy communicate with one satellite before switching to another one? It looks like they move across quite fast.

In central Louisiana, between 15 and 60 seconds. It might be slightly longer but I have a tree in the FOV to the east, so I get drops on that timescale.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#199

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What does competition look like for Starlink? Will competitors have to launch their own mesh of satellites? If you want to actually have your own IPv4 address you will have to pay $250 per month + $2500 for the terminal. This is despite the fact an IPv4 address only costs them a one time cost of about $40.

I think the closest they have to a competitor is oneweb, which hasn't completed the roll out for their first constellation yet. They are surprisingly close though, and could've been able to actually have an operational internet service if it wasn't for a scrapped launch related to the Russian invasion. I remember thinking they were basically dead, but they have recovered surprisingly well. Though their satellites are…

I lost where someone mentioned ipv6, but I get a 2605: ipv6 address on starlink, so it already exists and works fine.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

#200
post #121

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>IPv6 is 24.5 years old. And Chinese is hundreds of years old and I still don't know it. People don't invest into supporting things the instant they release. >If your network equipment supplier... In this hypothetical my network supplier would, but someone who is trying to connect isn't. IPv6 isn't even at 50% support in the US. That means if you want your friend group to all connect to your server there is a very go…

> People don't invest into supporting things the instant they release. Virtually every other aspect of the tech world, including networking, has managed to update multiple times in the intervening years. We don't (mostly) use dialup; we switched from 2G to 3G to 4G and now to 5G mobile telephony since then; HTTP has been mostly deprecated for HTTPS and the cryptography standards for the latter have changed; etc. > Wh…

>has managed to update multiple times in the intervening years.

Not fully though. There is typically some amount of people who still haven't updated and at name point you just end up ending support for them.

>we switched from 2G to 3G to 4G and now to 5G mobile telephony since then; HTTP has been mostly deprecated for HTTPS

These solves real problems for consumers. IPv6 doesn't. CGNAT has turned out to be good enough for most people.

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