Is this a consumption-only thing or does it allows some kind of interractions with the outside world, like emails sent to the box ultimately get delivered (when someone brings the box to a true internet connection to update it), edits to wikipedia get merged, ect. ?
Internet in a Box
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#22Cool! I'm really happy Iquitos got a fiber cable now. Just measured 23Mbps on 4G and I'm a few kilometers down the river. A few years ago I got about 5-10Kbps so it's a huge difference.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know this will get absolutely smashed but is this such a bad thing anymore ? If you can’t connect to the internet you’re immediately protected from a lot of garbage information, attention hijacking, scams and hacking, child grooming, IP theft, you’re job is probably a lot more secure etc. I know there is access to information which is beneficial but at some stage I’m not convinced having internet access will necess…
This is an outrageous claim lol.
I don’t post to make friends.
Edit: Follow up thought, I’m not sure who the internet benefits anymore. It used to be about users. Now I don’t feel the same way.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLMs are not magic. If wikipedia takes up 100GB of space and your model trained on it is only 5GB big, there is NO WAY it will hold all the original information.
I'm not sure this is true. Lossless compression algorithms exist, and HTML compresses almost absurdly well. A 20x compression rate would be quite impressive, but I don't think it's impossible, since 10x compression is fairly common in this domain, and there are reasons to expect wikipedia to compress even better given the significant amount of markup on each page. I've worked with cleaning up rendered wikipedia texts…
That is not the point.
There is a physical limit of how much you can compress stuff. If your LLM is significantly smaller than even the most optimized compression we can achieve, then it simply doesn't actually preserve all the information
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#25This is a fantastic project, and we need more of those. Let's keep in mind that 50% of the world's population did not connect to the internet in the last three months (last un UN starts). On my end, I worked on an Android version since getting & maintaining a Raspberry Pi or a Linux machine is difficult in remote communities - where finding reliable access to a network or electricity can be tricky. Still, you will se…
I know this will get absolutely smashed but is this such a bad thing anymore ? If you can’t connect to the internet you’re immediately protected from a lot of garbage information, attention hijacking, scams and hacking, child grooming, IP theft, you’re job is probably a lot more secure etc. I know there is access to information which is beneficial but at some stage I’m not convinced having internet access will necess…
The privilege is in being able to not have Internet access for an extended period and just enjoy life from a tropical beach, sipping on a mai tai, with no work to check-in on to make sure nothing's blown up. From the first world, only the middle class and higher can afford such a luxury. But the Internet is just so damned useful that, sure, it enables doomscrolling, but it enables so much more as a communication medium (the MVP for many businesses is a email address or a whatsapp number) that the assertion is just ignorant of life before the Internet.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure this is true. Lossless compression algorithms exist, and HTML compresses almost absurdly well. A 20x compression rate would be quite impressive, but I don't think it's impossible, since 10x compression is fairly common in this domain, and there are reasons to expect wikipedia to compress even better given the significant amount of markup on each page. I've worked with cleaning up rendered wikipedia texts…
That is not the point. There is a physical limit of how much you can compress stuff. If your LLM is significantly smaller than even the most optimized compression we can achieve, then it simply doesn't actually preserve all the information
Be that as it may, 5Gb just isn't realistically significantly smaller than you could squeeze the text of wikipedia.
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#27It's a really great project and I hope there will be more like that in the future!
I wonder, do you have any plans do enable https support? With browsers increasing becoming hostile to http and disabling modern features, it might be a good idea to enable access via https.
I think a streamlined way how a teacher could quickly generate a custom root CA and install it on student laptops could be useful here.
(And yes, I still think it sucks that this is the only option for using https without internet)
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#28This is a fantastic project, and we need more of those. Let's keep in mind that 50% of the world's population did not connect to the internet in the last three months (last un UN starts). On my end, I worked on an Android version since getting & maintaining a Raspberry Pi or a Linux machine is difficult in remote communities - where finding reliable access to a network or electricity can be tricky. Still, you will se…
I know this will get absolutely smashed but is this such a bad thing anymore ? If you can’t connect to the internet you’re immediately protected from a lot of garbage information, attention hijacking, scams and hacking, child grooming, IP theft, you’re job is probably a lot more secure etc. I know there is access to information which is beneficial but at some stage I’m not convinced having internet access will necess…
Also starting to believe that the real status symbol will be the ability to not have an internet connection or only connect at your own discretion.
I also see a lot of temptation especially in the IoT space to use the internet to control the devices against the users wishes and spy on the user.
You also see tge first attempts of devicemakers to actively ensure an internet connection themselves, independently of what the user set up. (I.e. Apple's Find My network, Amazon's Sidewalk, etc).
I don't think this will become less in the future.
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#29This is a fantastic project, and we need more of those. Let's keep in mind that 50% of the world's population did not connect to the internet in the last three months (last un UN starts). On my end, I worked on an Android version since getting & maintaining a Raspberry Pi or a Linux machine is difficult in remote communities - where finding reliable access to a network or electricity can be tricky. Still, you will se…
I know this will get absolutely smashed but is this such a bad thing anymore ? If you can’t connect to the internet you’re immediately protected from a lot of garbage information, attention hijacking, scams and hacking, child grooming, IP theft, you’re job is probably a lot more secure etc. I know there is access to information which is beneficial but at some stage I’m not convinced having internet access will necess…
Thanks, I think we need to discuss this too. I don't believe we can wish the internet away, but we're still in internet infancy, the "wild west" of plugged in, always online, life. Regulators need to catch up, but at the moment they seem to miss the point, mainly trying to cash in and serve their own narrow interests.
We likely need a movement that promotes a healthier use of the tech, which could include things like making it socially unacceptable to be constantly hooked up to your phone, and hefty fines for the manufacturers whenever their hardware/software made clandestine surveillance possible.
If things like these are not technically or socially possible, then I'm guessing we'll see an "anti-internet" movement eventually, too.
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#30It's a really great project and I hope there will be more like that in the future! I wonder, do you have any plans do enable https support? With browsers increasing becoming hostile to http and disabling modern features, it might be a good idea to enable access via https. I think a streamlined way how a teacher could quickly generate a custom root CA and install it on student laptops could be useful here. (And yes, I…
> install root CA
Lol. Yeah, we didn't spend all this effort to centralize the Internet just to let you have such a powerful and dangerous tool as a private key, buddy.