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Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by hammyhavoc »

gumballindie wrote: post #208
hammyhavoc wrote: post #152

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Block access if you don't want them to access your data. No bills created. However, if AI ends up being as mainstream as the average HN user is claiming, are you sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot to not have your brand and product info not included in that data set if it replaces search engines? Is it any different from a Google crawler? They put ads on your content on the SERPs after crawling it.

Google drives traffic to your website, and generates revenue. It also respects IP and gives credit. Ai crawlers don't. Just because content is out in the open it doesn't mean there's no license to follow when using it. If they gave credit, respected IP and drove traffic then sure.

Whilst I'm not an AI proponent, Bing cites sources in the form of sites, thus driving traffic, so that's not strictly true. Bing seems to be somewhat of a sensation currently with consumers.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by hombre_fatal »

charcircuit wrote: post #182
hombre_fatal wrote: post #161

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No, the 1:1 analogy you're looking for is realizing someone has a poorly protected api.domain.com endpoint that uploads images to their S3 bucket and then using that to host your own images in their bucket instead of paying for your own. Gpt4free uses API vulnerabilities that ultimately proxy to OpenAI's API with someone else's OpenAI credentials so that you don't have to pay for it. That's the whole gimmick. These A…

>These API endpoints aren't public service open relays which seems to be what you're trying to claim in your analogy: The whole point of the project is that they are. It's a compilation of public, free APIs that have been found. Those issues you linked are from people who don't understand that it's expensive to run a free relay for a paid service.

They are free public APIs the same way your misconfigured S3 bucket of dick pics is a free public porn site.

When you're so loose with words, it's impossible to even have a discussion.

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Post by berkle4455 »

spzb wrote: post #216
berkle4455 wrote: post #205

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The aforementioned tools do nothing whatsoever to grant to access accounts which aren’t theirs.

I know. That’s not what I said.

> That doesn't mean anyone is free to access my bank account.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by renonce »

dcow wrote: post #194
jrochkind1 wrote: post #131

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It's not clear to me that DMCA Takedown is an applicable legal process for that, but I guess when does that ever stop anyone these days. What specific US laws do folks think that repo (or running/using the software in that repo) might have been violating? (I agree it seems likely that it's _some_ law, I'm not challenging that just asking if anyone has a legal analysis they want to share).

Yeah what's curious to me is why OpenAI has grounds here vs [the abused 3rd parties]. Maybe they are trying to stand up for the people using their API as a courtesy because they want them to stay in business or something, but it seems the damaged parties are the 3rd party services bankrolling the access, and so they'd need to pursue legal action and/or patch their services. I do imagine OpenAI has something in their…

The author does not use official APIs so the author does not have to agree to the official ToS.

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Post by antonvs »

TheObviousOne wrote: post #195
dcow wrote: post #191

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No it abuses security vulnerabilities in 3rd party businesses who are using OpenAI. It doesn't get you access to OpenAI's api at OpenAI's expense. It gets you access at [vulnerable 3rd party]'s expense. Bankrupting someone using OpenAI doesn't seem to achieve much in the way of democratization of AI tools, sorry.

it's not bankrupting them, as the author is highly ethic (by using only "Big companies" open apis and remove the small one and the ones that ask from him to be removed). But as for your comment, i see it rather as opportunity to make it only with Opt-in by the companies themselves. That way it will actually make it even win-win situation for them for Marketing and Ads (with lower price).

There is no commonly accepted definition of ethics under which that behavior would be considered ethical.

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Post by junon »

glitchc wrote: post #173
junon wrote: post #62

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I mean... I know this isn't legally the same, but OpenAI has sold a repackaged version of all of our data, too.

And any code you write is a repackaged version of the compiler. Spot the difference? Should the maker of the compiler claim ownership of your binary?

There is an extremely clear difference - the compiler explicitly licenses itself away from you any code it generates. Nice try though.

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Post by junon »

IshKebab wrote: post #184
junon wrote: post #62

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I mean... I know this isn't legally the same, but OpenAI has sold a repackaged version of all of our data, too.

Just like all the code you write is just code you read elsewhere "repackaged". Ok sometimes you come up with what seems to be novel code, but we all know really you're just a sophisticated pattern matcher and you're just typing out the code you think is best at any given moment, based on everything you've seen and learnt from.

That makes no sense. The degree of which your inputs to your coding environment can differ is many orders of magnitude less than what the LLM can generate.

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Post by mpeg »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #149
rwl4 wrote: post #23

This project is designed to allow people to use ChatGPT via reversed engineered private APIs. It's not surprising they went after this. Here's the project description from the README: Have you ever come across some amazing projects that you couldn't use just because you didn't have an OpenAI API key? We've got you covered! This repository offers reverse-engineered third-party APIs for GPT-4/3.5, sourced from various…

>projects that you couldn't use just because you didn't have an OpenAI API key? It's amazing how the repo phrases this like "having an OpenAI API key" is something that's gatekept, rather than something you get by making a free account. (You may not be able to use it, but the more honest phrasing of "don't want to pay for your own API usage" is apparently too transparent for what this is offering.)

You can’t currently get a GPT4 API key without being handpicked by OpenaAI sadly.

I’m not saying this makes the above repo right, but it is gatekept.

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