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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by komali2 »

junofan wrote: post #301
speedgoose wrote: post #298

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Perhaps people don’t like to support people actively working against their rights. By using Firefox you support Mozilla, so you support the CEO financing political campaigns you don’t agree with. The CEO is a special role that represents Mozilla. It’s simple, the guy had to go.

Do I have to keep tabs on the CEO of every company I interact with? Come on, that’s ridiculous.

You don't have to do anything lol. If you claimed to be progressive you might be called out for being hypocritical, but it's up to you whether that matters.

I do think choosing to live in a society does come with SOME social responsibilities though, don't you? Most we probably don't think about all that much, like not farting in public or whatever. Not scratching our crotches in public. Not cutting in lines. Stuff with no legal boundaries but are just general social responsibilities.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by nugget »

ummonk wrote: post #211
nugget wrote: post #15

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The search index is relatively easy, the ad marketplace is hard. DDG is likely hooked on tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in Bing revenue which is a tough habit to kick.

That shouldn’t stop DDG from using their own index instead of the Bing search API for organic search results though right?

Once you’re hooked on Google or Bing search ads for revenue, they can control everything you are allowed to do within a product via compliance requirements. It’s a clever and effective form of regulatory capture.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by iudqnolq »

rjh29 wrote: post #249
crossroadsguy wrote: post #243

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Not true. But I won’t discuss that. Here’s something else — the most critical part of a booking — the booking itself. Go talk to third party aggregator chat bot when you realise you don’t even have a booking that you booked. 4-5 days later if you’re lucky you’ll receive an apology email if you’re lucky, which mentions that they do not want you have that experience and they’ve send it for feedback to the relevant team…

If your hotel double books you, they're out of rooms and can't help. If Booking.com double books you, they can pull strings to give you a different room in any hotel on their site (and they do). I don't doubt you had that experience personally, but it doesn't match my experience at all, and I spend 1/3 of my life in hotels.

I showed up at a (cheap) hotel booked on Booking.com earlier this year. They had no record of my booking. They couldn't help me.

I spent the next hour on the phone or on hold with a booking.com rep. They claimed the hotel had made a mistake and should be the one to fix it. They attempted to contact the appropriate person at the hotel but were unable to.

About four hours later somebody appropriate from the hotel responded to the booking.com rep and "found" the "lost" booking.

I brought up the policy you mentioned, and the booking.com rep told me that they hotel gets a chance to fix it first. They seemed quite surprised the hotel ghosted them for four hours, and told me that eventually at some point at night they would book me some other room.

So I'd say the booking.com policy you mentioned isn't quite as valuable as you might think at first.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by somethingreen »

poszlem wrote: post #443
somethingreen wrote: post #398

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The benefits of censoring misinformation are obvious if you think about it for even a couple minutes. If you run a community tech support forum and someone starts suggesting deletion of windows32 directory as a solution to other users issues, do you let them do that? If some neighbor in your bbq party claims to be a doctor and goes on a rant about benefits of microdosing rat poison, do you invite them ever again? Do…

When you first think about it for a bit, it might seem logical, but when you ponder it a bit longer, it doesn't. Censorship essentially comes down to this: some folks believe they know better than others about what those others should want. There's a fitting quote: "A censor is someone who knows more than they think you should." In a world where yesterday's "misinformation" becomes today's fact, you'd have to be pret…

So you are ok with using an automated censor as long as you are able to review (transparency) and revert (recourse) it's results. Like I said, just make it good.

And sure, we can't verify factuality of every claim, but I do believe there is a big enough set where we can. If you accept that all information on internet is fundamentally unverifiable, then of what use is the whole thing?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by soundnote »

causi wrote: post #24
pachico wrote: post #4

Just the fastest and most ergonomic browser I've tried. I wish Firefox was like Brave, to be honest. Until that happens, I'll stick to Brave for both mobile and desktop.

I don't see why anyone would pick Brave over Vivaldi, especially on mobile.

Brave's blockers are better, the browser performs better, and I like the native Chromium tab groups more than Vivaldi's tab stacks. Brave also had background media playback on mobile long before Vivaldi, who only got it in the latest update.

Vivaldi's fine, and it's what I'd use if Brave didn't exist, but I just like the experience of using Brave more, especially on desktop. Vivaldi's new mobile version, from what I've seen, has clarified their old mobile UI a lot and got background media playback, so that's less of an issue.

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Post by rjh29 »

rfrey wrote: post #427
rjh29 wrote: post #279

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And yes downvote me but maybe think about whether spending more money going to first-party sites is actually serving you?

I didn't downvote you, but I did notice that you are making repeated assertions about price disparity between direct and third party; multiple people are posting actual links and experiments showing you wrong; to which you more vehemently ("idiots") repeat the assertions (without evidence).

I apologised in another comment and admit it is not universally true, as many people have pointed out. However I have repeatedly tried to get hotels to price match; they don't, and they never mentioned a loyalty scheme. That is my personal experience. Of course it may differ based on the type of hotel (I don't use very expensive chain hotels), the country, etc.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

labster wrote: post #465
lotsofpulp wrote: post #375

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> except the non-savvy (or privacy-conscious) consumer. Every single hotel I have been to already requires your ID and records your information at check in. In fact, it is required by pretty much all city laws in the US. I also would not want to stay in a hotel that does not require it.

The rewards programs use your information to market to you, and sometimes third parties. Terms and conditions vary. As always, consult a lawyer before clicking accept on any EULA.

Of course they do. Grocery stores, airlines, car rentals, hotel brands, retail stores, everyone has a rewards program for a discount and they all have my info.

So far I do not receive any junk mail other than credit card offers, which I take advantage of for the bonus.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by cvwright »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #435
cvwright wrote: post #431

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What hardware would you want, and how much would it cost?

Interesting question. If I wanted to say grow the index 10-fold and aim for a billion documents indexed (~2.5bn crawled), I'd need: * More crawlers. This is mostly a network limitation. Disk requirement would be about 50 Tb in total of literally any hard drive, split along the crawlers. * A dedicated number crunching machine for index construction and processing. Basically needs to be all cores and all RAM. * A dedic…

Cool, thanks. I will pass this along to some people who might be able to help.
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