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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Yizahi wrote: post #429
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #397

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"Nobody..." That's quite broad. How about some specific examples.

Small shops and small hotels in eastern Europe. I simply stopped trying to contact via email after several inquiries without any response. While messengers for some reason are very popular. If I already talking to someone in person and I need to send files to them then in 100% of cases they will ask to send it via some messenger. Latest cases - car insurance asked for photos, notary asked for my passport, legal consu…

Yikes. It sounds like there is an expectation that every member of the public has these apps installed or can otherwise use them. It's difficult to fathom that any organisation could claim "Sorry, we do not have email."

Not to discount the speed and convenience of messenging apps, but if someone is playing fast and loose with the law and trying to avoid a "paper trail", then avoiding email and using "ephemeral" messenging might be a strategy.

It was once claimed, by Facebook, that "[1 in 7 people worldwide is on Facebook. More importantly,] 6 out of 7 people are not on Facebook." Perhaps more than 1 in 7 people have an email account. Just a guess.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by BrendanEich »

soundnote wrote: post #450
BrendanEich wrote: post #445

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No, I never said we removed anything due to some nation state's MiniTrue calling it misinformation or disinformation. All search engines must comply with laws (CSAM, right to be forgotten or whatever it is called now) in various regions. That compliance is not in any way the same category as what DDG boasted in March 2022 that it was doing.

I didn't try to imply such: Like I said, you had to remove things by law. No? Could've been clearer, I guess.

But DDG did not have to virtue-signal as it did in March 2022 due to force of law or even unlawful threats from a nation-state. Categorically different -- there's no comparison.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by flangola7 »

conical wrote: post #336
ww520 wrote: post #303

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If a hotel double booked you and you showed up, the hotel would walk you to a nearby similar hotel all paid for by the hotel. The “walk” process is a standard industry practice.

This whole reply thread looks astroturfed.

By which party?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by soundnote »

BrendanEich wrote: post #462
soundnote wrote: post #450

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I didn't try to imply such: Like I said, you had to remove things by law. No? Could've been clearer, I guess.

But DDG did not have to virtue-signal as it did in March 2022 due to force of law or even unlawful threats from a nation-state. Categorically different -- there's no comparison.

Absolutely true.

Let's say there's a reason my search engine pages show a lion and not a duck.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by labster »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #375
labster wrote: post #310

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Booking.com requires the cheapest price, unless you are talking about the price from the hotel’s rewards program, which they will push very hard. It’s a contract loophole that works out for everyone except the non-savvy (or privacy-conscious) consumer.

> except the non-savvy (or privacy-conscious) consumer. Every single hotel I have been to already requires your ID and records your information at check in. In fact, it is required by pretty much all city laws in the US. I also would not want to stay in a hotel that does not require it.

The rewards programs use your information to market to you, and sometimes third parties. Terms and conditions vary. As always, consult a lawyer before clicking accept on any EULA.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by jjeaff »

TylerE wrote: post #257
jjeaff wrote: post #245

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I use hotwire maybe a few times a year and it has happened twice to me that the hotel they claimed was booked did not have the reservation. Most 3rd party booking sites don't have real time access to inventory, so if you book close to the same time that someone books direct, you can easily end up overbooked. I think in the first case, they gave me a refund and I rebooked another through hotwire last minute. In the ot…

They’re often not even cheaper these days (and are usually pay in advance with no or limited cancellations, vs booking direct usually being pay on site and cancel able to to a day or two out.

Yes, I have found that in many areas, you can match or beat the 3rd party price by going direct. Especially if you have any additional discounts like AAA. But quite a few highly competitive areas like las Vegas, you can save 25-50% by going with hotwire or Priceline.

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Post by soundnote »

elzbardico wrote: post #425
waboremo wrote: post #261

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Conservatives are still the status quo btw

It's kind of complicated. The old labels of right and left, conservative vs progressives, and socialist vs capitalists are clearly inadequate nowadays. Class struggle based left has all but disappeared in the West. And whatever your point of view on American involvement in Ukraine, it is clear that at least the mainstream branches of both parties are largely in accord. Trump's belligerence on China (justified or not,…

ESG is an easy example of the kind of regulatory moat against competition that classical libertarian analysis routinely complains about.

> Civil rights also have been solidly co-opted by the oligarchic class. Both for reasons that the moral behavior and values of the elites are fairly advanced and they want to impose their values as the mainstream values down the throats of the more backward working class and because it is useful as it redirects energy from unionization and other forms of class struggle.

Worse than that - the elites actively hold luxury beliefs that cause damage at the lower rungs of society but the elites themselves don't quite behave by but which are useful to proclaim as signals of class allegiance and attaining status.

That said, it's been plainly shown that eg. the diversity push is in good part an anti-unionization ploy yet most of the left keeps supporting it.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by soundnote »

lisasays wrote: post #454
soundnote wrote: post #390

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The actual grim part: It's not an "eventually". Even if the censorship downranks and removes results I disagree with and makes me feel warm and fuzzy and enjoy that my political enemies are gnashing their teeth, it can very well rob me of information it'd be useful to know. eg. to this day many people live under the impression that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people. If asked to estimate how many unarmed blacks…

If asked to estimate how many unarmed blacks get killed by police, Democrat voters give absolutely wild estimates when according to shooting databases the actual number is about 20 a year. Uh, no. By easily findable statistics, the number is more like 225+ a year - shot and killed. And is consistently disproportionate to the number of white victims.

What database are you using? The Washington Post records 12 unarmed black people shot in 2022, 11 in 2021, 18 in 2020, 12 in 2019, 22 in 2018. The 2023 tally thus far is at four. With no year filter, the total number of unarmed black victims is at 157 for the whole 2015-2023 period.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by mikepurvis »

account42 wrote: post #385
mikepurvis wrote: post #317

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Similar dynamic with credit cards, where retailers are forbidden from offering a cash discount. Though some skirt this using rewards programs— in Canada for example, Canadian Tire gives you more Canadian Tire "money" if you pay with debit or cash.

Best price requirements should be straight up illegal IMO.

In fairness, if credit card processors hadn't been permitted to require that and customers had had to pay the fee, credit cards would never have achieved liftoff.

Which is maybe as much of an argument as any, if it had put pressure on the processors to minimize or eliminate the fee and find alternative revenue streams to sustain themselves and build out the network. Instead we got a world where the fee has been static forever and the gains from automation have gone to cashback and rewards programs for customers, ultimately making it more expensive to pay with cash.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by komali2 »

lelanthran wrote: post #452
komali2 wrote: post #287

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I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." It sounds like your biggest priority in determining ethicality is legality: did anything illegal happen in the "cancellation" of the Brave founder? (I know nothing about this event, I'm just commenting within the context of this short conv…

> I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." If there is a legal and approved method for getting a law, why is forming a mob the same as using the official method?

Forming a mob is also called protesting, and many of the laws that define our society were written after popular protests.

I'm actually not even sure anymore what you mean by "legal and approved method for getting a law." Maybe you're talking about how some places like California have a process for petition > law proposition > law being put directly on the ballot? Not all states have that and as far as I know the usa congress has nothing like that. In fact when it comes to federal law the only way I'm aware of for citizens to get a law they want in the end always comes down to some kind of mob formation.

Anyway the meaning of the word "official" matters as well. The USA's founding documents state an intent that the authority of the government derives from the people. There's thus no difference between a government's rubber stamped "official process," and a crowd of people in city hall shouting.

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