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Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by jstummbillig »

chefandy wrote: post #180
jstummbillig wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, the (potential) negative impact AI training has on what people do will only manifest in the future. But no matter how I or anyone else feel about the car or how bad it is for the environment, or how much we dislike the noise they impose on us, it's simply not going to bring back the horse. There just is no conceivable future. It's dead.

Another cop-out. No, the horse isn't dead. This technology is at its precipice and society outside of the tech world hasn't even started to react yet let alone develop entrenched immutable norms surrounding it. A good portion of what these algorithms put out isn't even particularly commercially useful... yet. There's a lot of time to change policy, to change corporate norms, to change compensation structures, and to…

Sigh, alright. Copping out of this one I guess.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by jstummbillig »

cormacrelf wrote: post #115
jstummbillig wrote: post #103

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This litany is already getting old and it's just 2 month in. All intellectual property is inherently stolen. Just let it go.

The reason intellectual property was invented was to encourage people to go and create new things and share them, the logic being that having a monopoly on your own work by default means you can make money from being creative and therefore people will choose to do it. The reverse is already happening, people are deciding (privately) not to publish things they have created because they rightly assume it will be stolen…

All true.

I don't see any world where it matters in the slightest. When it comes to how we deal with currently available training data nothing will change, first because of politics but also because people want the LLMs superpower more than they want to protect IP of a few individuals. And I firmly believe that no human training data that has not been produced and publishes today will play any significant role in future AI development.

We are simply too slow.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by MichaelZuo »

ChatGTP wrote: post #190
MichaelZuo wrote: post #172

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They're consuming real electricity and real time on servers that don't belong to them nor do they have permission to use.

Do you see the contradiction here ? ChatGPT-4 is built on real peoples time.

Conveniently ignoring the ‘real electricity’ part doesn’t help your case.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by dragonwriter »

from wrote: post #164
dragonwriter wrote: post #104

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Assuming that those third-party services are ones that the public can access via their own web interfaces, such that the only thing unauthorized is the manner in which the APIs are consumed, this would seem (unless I am missing more specific precedent) to fall out of CFAA coverage as a result of the Van Buren v. United States decision.

I remember seeing "Help: FBI criminally charged me with $6MM loss for hotlinking. I didn't do it" on HN earlier this year ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30589489 ). Was this person lying?

There is no indication of what the charge was, and usually with hotlinking to an asset the legal issue is copyright infringement (which can be criminal as well as civil); that’s very different from suggesting that use of an API endpoint intended to be used by a public web frontend is a CFAA violation.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by berkle4455 »

spzb wrote: post #80
Veen wrote: post #71

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I wasn't aware companies could, by fiat, declare certain publicly available endpoints private, thereby compelling everyone by force of law to pretend they don't exist.

My bank's website is publicly available. That doesn't mean anyone is free to access my bank account. Just 'cause something is accessible on the internet doesn't mean you have the right to access it. Case law and statute goes back at least to the 1980s on this point.

The aforementioned tools do nothing whatsoever to grant to access accounts which aren’t theirs.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by dragonwriter »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #145
ranger_danger wrote: post #31

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Github first disables the repo as soon as the report is received, and then waits for a response/appeal from the user before any further action is taken.

Why isn't this repo disabled then yet? They already appealed and... won? Or you just have to submit the appeal and they enable your repo again no matter what while the process plays out?

DMCA counternotice isn’t an appeal that someone has to judge. As soon as you send it to the provider, they can restore access without leaving the safe harbor (if you are infringing, you are still liable, but the host has fulfilled their safe harbor requirements.)

But this may be some other C&D, the repo owner says they got a “takedown” without mentioning DMCA; there is no reason to assume this means Github got a DMCA notice.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by mock-possum »

gumballindie wrote: post #51
supermatt wrote: post #43

Not to be confused with gpt4all https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all which is a "free" GPT LLM. It seems this gpt4free was basically hijacking 3rd parties services that use GPT-4, bypassing the official OpenAI APIs in order to avoid paying for inference. Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... I'm not surprised they have been issued a takedown notice.

> Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... A bit like we are footing the bill for openai's training data.

who's 'we,' white man? I've never been billed.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by gumballindie »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #152
gumballindie wrote: post #51

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> Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... A bit like we are footing the bill for openai's training data.

Block access if you don't want them to access your data. No bills created. However, if AI ends up being as mainstream as the average HN user is claiming, are you sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot to not have your brand and product info not included in that data set if it replaces search engines? Is it any different from a Google crawler? They put ads on your content on the SERPs after crawling it.

Google drives traffic to your website, and generates revenue. It also respects IP and gives credit. Ai crawlers don't. Just because content is out in the open it doesn't mean there's no license to follow when using it. If they gave credit, respected IP and drove traffic then sure.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by gumballindie »

mock-possum wrote: post #207
gumballindie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... A bit like we are footing the bill for openai's training data.

who's 'we,' white man? I've never been billed.

> white man?

Eh?

> I've never been billed.

Curious how much people's bills are inflated by ai crawlers constantly sucking their data and how much in revenue is lost since traffic is not brought to their websites. And since there's no way to stop this theft, since most of them don't honor robots.txt, people are forced to remove content. Perhaps those charged for bandwidth are losing some dime right now.

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