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Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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Reduce - buy jeans that last a lifetime. Reuse - buy your jeans from a thrift store. Recycle - this? So it’s the last choice, but most clothes today just end up in the trash, since durability is fairly awful. Even after one wash some clothes start to lose their shape and color. What will the durability of recycled clothes look like if the recycling inputs are so poor? Will people pay any less for these clothes? I won…

We're past the point of innovating for a better consumer product. Most innovations nowadays are to reduce to cost while getting the consumer to accept the downgrade. Usually it happens gradually using the "boiling frog" method.

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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One thing sustainability, fashion and denim: we could start by not artificially preusing it. Also: is it me or about 20 years ago a pair of jeans lasted way longer than they currently do? Maybe thinner materials were introduced for softness?

True denim is deeply uncomfortable when it's brand new. Anybody 50 or older will remember having to break in stiff pants that left blue marks on your thighs. Pre-washed jeans are a lot more comfortable on the first day.

These days jeans always include at least some stretchy fibers. And I get the impression that many aren't even really broken in; the color patterns are woven into them to mimic that look.

Now, literally pre-ripped pants... that I'll admit seems like a real waste. I can offer no defense for that.

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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I agree to a point: polyester blends tend to hold their color better and smell better. They also tend to be constructed better as I've had too many issues with cotton shirts that get holes in them or get wrinkled too easily. I'm not sure if I agree on the comfort though, which is why I tend to go with a blend.

Try on some Under Armour 5 Pocket Drive Pants if you get the opportunity, I’d be surprised if you wanted to go back to jeans (for comfort reasons at least).

Thanks, I like their polo shirts so it won't hurt to try on their pants as well, even if it makes me look like I just got back from playing 18.

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I don't think it's realistic for you to expect your jeans to last a lifetime. I buy decent jeans once a year. The new pair is for daily wear. The old pair is retired for manual labor. The old-old pair is retired to when I crawl under the house.

This worked for me right up till I had kids. Now, with daily spillage, I'm washing the darned things to death.

Tip: Wash in cold water on the lowest-impact cycle, hang up to dry. Of course I don't know your materials, washer, etc., but for me, everything comes clean with (what seems like) very little impact on the clothing.

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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I hope it isn’t the way forward - little bits of it come off when washing and drying. Micro plastic galore.

This problem can be pretty easily solved with finer washing machine filters and/or guppyfriend bags.

Do you know of any research on that?

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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I've completely stopped wearing cotton. Everything I wear is now polyester and elastane. Socks, underwear, trousers, boots, t-shirts, mid-layers, jackets, hats - all of it. I know this has it's own issues with micro plastics but the clothes are way comfier, take up less space, are less prone to stains, are quicker to dry, hold heat when wet and are more durable to boot. Personally I think it's the way forward.

IME they absorb and hold oders much more than cotton. Are some synthetics better at that?

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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I don't think it's realistic for you to expect your jeans to last a lifetime. I buy decent jeans once a year. The new pair is for daily wear. The old pair is retired for manual labor. The old-old pair is retired to when I crawl under the house.

> I don't think it's realistic for you to expect your jeans to last a lifetime. > I buy decent jeans once a year. WHAT? I have jeans I got 10 years ago and are still good. And they weren't even expensive

May have to do with how often you wear them. For a few years I wore jeans every damn day, unless there was a funeral or something, and I had a similar rotation: two pairs "active" at a time (with maybe one reserve pair in case the lesser of those two got ruined, assuming I had any older ones that were still wearable)—one for light duty, one for heavy duty, order a new pair of 501s when they're on sale about once a year, they become the new light-duty pair, everything else shifts down, oldest become rags or get thrown out (they were never in good-enough shape to donate, by the time they were leaving my closet).

~$40/yr wasn't so bad.

[EDIT] Oh, and for the record, I minimized washing, though I wasn't as hardcore about it as some people who claim to go months between washes. Every wash seemed to age them a couple weeks worth of wearing.

These days, I wear a lot more wool, linen, and cotton/linen blends for light-duty, and wear a single pair of Prana Zions (very thin mid-tier hiking pants, synthetic material) for anything risky/dirty. The Zions are probably at something like 1,000 wears (for the first couple years I wore them kinda like I had my jeans before—for everything) over five years or so. About a penny per wear. Finally due to be replaced, starting to get enough holes that they're getting iffy for wearing around... people, at all. If I hadn't damaged them with sharp things a few times, they'd probably go another 500+ wears, they're not getting worn-looking anywhere, no stains have proven permanent, nor is any part of them fraying (except at the holes).

Re: Recycled denim: a breakthrough?

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This problem can be pretty easily solved with finer washing machine filters and/or guppyfriend bags.

Do you know of any research on that?

There are a variety of commercial products already available to buy:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=washing...

https://en.guppyfriend.com

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Stretchy jeans make me angry. Stretchy jeans for men make me furious.

Why does the free market and comfortable clothing options make you furious?

Another way to get comfy clothes is to buy the right size.

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For me it's because good quality clothing has become prohibitively expensive. The market has polarized into cheap low quality clothing and ultra expensive high end clothing.

> Stretchy jeans for men make me furious. If it's about being quality, why only for men though?

> If it's about being quality, why only for men though?

That's not what I said.

While what you think I said is not a good look, neither is a white man trying to dictate what women wear. The elastic jeans thing is a ship that sailed a long time ago.

Also if you’ve ever shopped with women, the amount of effort that goes into finding a pair that fit at all is appalling. Elastic gives you a fudge factor to buy pants that don’t actually fit but do.

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