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Re: Check if your IKEA chair is compatible with your screen

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One of my first jobs 30+ years ago was ESD testing automotive and consumer electronics. I would spend a week with a discharge gun methodically running different discharge energies and waveforms both directly onto the devices as well as onto radiators at various distances from the device under test, as well as any cabling/harnessing that attached to the device. Then the design team would figure out the reason for any…

Cars are a terrible ESD and EMC environment and safety critical at the same time. Computer equipment usually does pretty well, especially after installation (when there's good ground path everywhere and it's in a chassis). Between ferrite beads and TVS, there's a pretty good amount of protection, and I've seen pretty few ESD anomalies-- a reset or two when touching connectors long ago is about the extent of it. RFI a…

> Cars are a terrible ESD and EMC environment and safety critical at the same time.

Had a bad incident a few years ago where EMI created by the windshield wiper motors on a large vehicle was causing voltage dips and spikes for our product. We had protection circuitry so that if the incoming voltage was too low, it would shut down our system cleanly.

Re: Check if your IKEA chair is compatible with your screen

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Easily solved with some ESD spray: Not affiliated with Jensen, just did some googling and found a place that sells it in single cans. https://www.jensentools.com/product/160-188-1726-QT

> Fast drying, anti-static coating eliminates static charge and reduces triboelectric generation from flexible surfaces. The page unfortunately doesn't explain what this is or how it works. Is it a conductive coating so that it can dissipate the electricity into something else, or does it form a shielding layer instead so that it won't zap stuff?

It should be slightly conductive, and you need to ground the surface somewhere, but I can't find any very specific information on this product.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of woz's apple video on ESD: https://youtu.be/hLOQ7zOWGAA Personally I remember having a pickup truck with a velour seat. During winter I would slide off the seat at a gas station and the first thing I would tough would be the gas pump handle - ZAAAP. Not what you want at a gas station!

That’s why in Europe the gas nozzle doesn’t have the little lock - It requires that you keep pressing it. So that you avoid going back to the car, charging static, coming back to the nozzle and having a spark.

This is not the case for all of Europe. At least here in Germany our gas nozzles have a lock, no need to hold it.

Re: Check if your IKEA chair is compatible with your screen

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you should NOT ground your chair directly, only ground it through a large resistor, 100K or so. (you might want to check that value, it's from memory, I think you want any potential electric "shock" to be down below the 1 milliAmp range) I'd use a ground strap designed for wearing while you handle MOSFET ICs. if you ground your chair directly, it is likely to make YOU be the best circuit to ground when you handle you…

Also prevents unexpected shocks to the buttocks upon sitting.

Directly grounding shouldn't be particularly risky though. It's not uncommon to have a metal desk touching a grounded but not double-insulated chassis or dangling USB cable. And I get the impression that electrical systems are engineered so that users aren't touching live contacts when plugging things in - maybe less so in the case of US plugs.

That said, an RCD/GFCI would help in either case, and might have in the cases of electrocution by faulty phone charger, where current presumably travelled through multiple wires in the USB cable alone.

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Lately, I’ve become a fan of analog chairs. No Wi-Fi, no camera, no GPU. Besides the retro appeal, I actually find myself to be more creative!

Adding those to a chair are just an excuse to download more data about your sitting and fidgeting habits to sell you more stuff.

True. If your butt is not paying, then your butt is the product.

Re: Check if your IKEA chair is compatible with your screen

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This has very strong vibes of the PDP-10's Magic Switch https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/1232

Thank you for the link! I only knew the referenced folklore page, but never saw a picture and the following exchange. Was just about to post this story as well :)

Re: Check if your IKEA chair is compatible with your screen

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I've probably mentioned this story here, but my first job out of school was working for a nationally known cash register manufacturer, writing front-end software for the cashiers to use. This didn't happen to me but was told to me by an old-timer my first week there (mid-90s).

A group had done an install at a grocery store. They did in-house testing of the new system, then rolled it out to 1 or 2 lanes to try it out for a few days before upgrading all the lanes with the new system. It was a fairly normal roll-out with a few minor issues, but nothing major.

The day they rolled it out, about 2 or 3 transactions each day started including an extra charge for 10 cents worth of deli meat. This was weird because it would be pretty hard to buy only 10 cents worth of meat, and certainly any deli counter worker who had rung it up would have remembered doing so because it would have been a really bizarre order. None of them had seen such an order come through.

The only thing the transactions had in common was they were paid for with a debit card. Worried about compliance issues and the possibility that there might be a bug in the new card readers, they turned off the debit card functionality. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you work in compliance), it happened again to someone paying with cash. While that was a relief because it meant the card readers were fine, it also meant they had no leads on the problem.

The on-call engineer got called in to work on the problem just before the store closed one night. He checked all the obvious things - problems with the cabling; an incorrect value in the database; some data getting mangled between the cash register and the database; a problem with the scanner; etc. There were no problems he could detect.

In order to keep the last few customers from entering his lane, he moved a shopping cart in front of the lane. In fact he did it to the one next to his as well because he'd be walking around the entire lane working on cabling and such. He crawled under the register to check something things just as the scanner beeped to indicate it detected an item. Sure enough it was for 10 cents worth of meat. He looked around and noticed a mother scolding her child, "Leave to empty carts alone! That lane is closed!" That's when he noticed that the cart had an ad on front of it for some random product. He jiggled the cart, and the scanner beeped again. Another 10 cents of meat.

It turned out the artist who put together the ad thought that the packaging without a barcode on it looked weird, so he grabbed something he had laying around and made a fake barcode that looked similar. By some miracle, the barcode was actually valid and was ringing up 10 cents of deli meat at this store. Mystery solved!

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