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Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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That’s not a really good analogies. The real question is: are the people complaining about all industry ready to live in a world without industry? To which the answer is obviously no for most of them. It’s akin to asking: do you want 90% of the global population to die of starvation?

I don't think that's a good analogy either. It's not like a wish will be granted and we'll all still be here but suddenly without tractors. The alternative to consider is being born into a world where industrialization took off slower and culture had more time to understand the consequences before they got really severe.

So it's just complaining that history didn't happen a certain way? Okay I guess.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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IMHO This type of beauty is something the "AI" image generators do far failed to reproduce. Sure, they are great at creating "out of this world" images but the beauty of those structures comes from our ability to reason about the features. When you look at these structures, you immediately begin thinking about what is this and why it is there and how would the life on it feel. It has logical cohesion.

When I was a kid I loved (who am I kidding, I still love them) the Incredible Cross-Sections books which have exploded-view drawings of tons of machines, real and fictional. The oil rig in particular sticks out in my mind because that’s how I learned they were movable and had their own engines. Seeing all the different parts and what they were for was fascinating.

Here's the Incredible Cross-Section of an oil rig:

https://i.imgur.com/oiMObcE.jpeg

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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When I rode from John o' Groats to Land's End[1] I remember riding past a firth on the east coast of Scotland with a load of oil rigs ready for either refitting or decommissioning. It was crazy surreal. The landscape is an amazing backdrop anyway but these things are just so big, so weird looking and so out of place... it felt like being party to an alien invasion. It made me think of the John Christopher classic The…

Back in the early 2000s I was debugging obscene memory usage for our GPS navigation application for symbian phones, and that was the exact route I used to debug it!

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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IMHO This type of beauty is something the "AI" image generators do far failed to reproduce. Sure, they are great at creating "out of this world" images but the beauty of those structures comes from our ability to reason about the features. When you look at these structures, you immediately begin thinking about what is this and why it is there and how would the life on it feel. It has logical cohesion.

They of course can ---- if you know about this kind of thing in the first place. I don't really think AI can actually create new stuff -- best they can do is random sampling in some clusters, or going total cliched random, like what happens when you ask GPT to complete a token.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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One of my favourite videos is a striking self-promo clip commissioned by Shell in 1970s. The tech optimism is strong, with visuals that would feel much more at home in a climate shock video nowadays. the video captures the otherworldliness of oil production and large scale infrastructure in a hypnotic way. It really is quite beautiful. https://youtu.be/_zWjT59S_wk

There is a documentary about a concert at the bottom of the sea, really way down in the 'basement' of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_A_platform which is 303 meters under the water surface:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YtCHHpZNxo

It's about an hour long, mostly showing the preparation of the singer, and the crew, like security/emergency training, to be even allowed to get on, and then down there. Thereby showing how it is out there. Interesting. One can omit the last half hour, or so, if uninterested in the music, or skip around that.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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post #28

When I rode from John o' Groats to Land's End[1] I remember riding past a firth on the east coast of Scotland with a load of oil rigs ready for either refitting or decommissioning. It was crazy surreal. The landscape is an amazing backdrop anyway but these things are just so big, so weird looking and so out of place... it felt like being party to an alien invasion. It made me think of the John Christopher classic The…

if you've never seen the refineries on the US Gulf Coast it's worth a road trip. Super surreal, miles and miles of dense piping and machinery. I don't really have words to describe except it's something you'd expect to see in a sci-fi anime and not in real life. Just these massive complexes as big as small cities in a web of pipes of all sizes going in all directions. edit: they remind me of the scene in Aliens towar…

Right, it's not just offshore oil rigs, it can be processing facilities deep onshore, like in a place appropriately named Commerce City:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/suncor-prepares-to-reop...

And it's the Gulf Coast where there can be a lot this for miles, it's 24/7. Flaring is of course, "normal":

https://www.facebook.com/KRIS6News/videos/live-view-from-our...

For my life's work I needed to become very comfortable working in this environment, especially where the big ships are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW9Frtkqy3Y

Dystopias are us.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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post #36

That's beauty? Surely something must be lodged in the eye of whatever beholder wrote that. These blocks of rust look far more Borg than Begonia.

It says "dystopian beauty". A begonia is not dystopian beauty.

I've read most good - and much bad - dystopian fiction. I am very familiar with the word. Modifying the word "beauty" with it does not make a word combination fitting for these ugly structures by any reasonable stretch of either words' meaning.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid I loved (who am I kidding, I still love them) the Incredible Cross-Sections books which have exploded-view drawings of tons of machines, real and fictional. The oil rig in particular sticks out in my mind because that’s how I learned they were movable and had their own engines. Seeing all the different parts and what they were for was fascinating.

Here's the Incredible Cross-Section of an oil rig: https://i.imgur.com/oiMObcE.jpeg

Interesting! That is not the one I remember. I did some digging and realized it was actually the “Look Inside Cross-Sections” series of books I had as a kid, though I can’t find the oil rig from there on the internet.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water isn't oil though, the former is biologically necessary and the latter is socially necessary. It also wasn't really what I'm talking about but I'll bite none the less. I'm not really saying we get rid of it fully but we don't need anywhere near the oil and gas industry we have. About 67% [0] of extracted oil used in the US goes into the transportation sector in one form or another and an additional 6% goes into…

Oil is now biologically necessary for this population to survive: the Haber-Bosch process.

You skipped the whole bit of my comment where I talked about the percentages that go into industrial uses vs transportation I guess? Only 27% of the oil extracted goes into the entire industrial use of oil.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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post #31

One of my favourite videos is a striking self-promo clip commissioned by Shell in 1970s. The tech optimism is strong, with visuals that would feel much more at home in a climate shock video nowadays. the video captures the otherworldliness of oil production and large scale infrastructure in a hypnotic way. It really is quite beautiful. https://youtu.be/_zWjT59S_wk

>with visuals that would feel much more at home in a climate shock video nowadays That's likely because there's huge overlap between "climate shock video" and "video from decades past when big industry was visibly polluting things in the west" and "video filtered to look like it is from decades past". Basically you're pattern matching on the second order visual cues. A video of a pit mine full of modern equipment tak…

I think what I like so much about the aesthetic is that it its age allows me to quickly forget the second order effects of industrialization and quickly, quietly appreciate the sheer magnificence of these extraction cathedrals, the total celebration of our ability to harness nature, to defy the balance of the world in our favour. If my suspention of disbelief is paused for a minute, i recollect the opening scenes of Dr. Strangelove, where the refuelling of the bomber planes looks more like a avian pairing ritual than a technocratic feat of usurping the laws of nature. A few scenes in the shell video definitely have a phallic quality to it (like the drill bit penetrating the water, the pipes laid across the forest floor), and I even felt a moment of self referential criticism as the camera panned across the bleak oilfield in the middle of the ocean expanse.

I think I disagree on the point about the "medium is the message" framing. I dont think the camera quality has much to do with it, instead the visual qualities arise from the lack of a need to show that critical view, as the blank optimism overshadowed the less savory views by a mile. I think we have lost the capacity to view these process neutrally, independently of the medium used to record them.

I remember watching a hungarian film called On body and soul, which takes place in a meat processing facility. The footage of the meat processing is beautiful, eerily so, and it is really jaunting when you realize the only images of slaughterhouses you have seen is grainy handycam footage filmed for ideological purposes. The medium is always important, but always subservient to the gaze.

I found the video eons ago, it still has so few views and I am so happy to have brought it to light to such a receptive crowd.

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