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Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by devmor »

jstummbillig wrote: post #103
dubcanada wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed the memo of the comment. They were referring to the fact that everything ChatGPT is built on is other peoples work. Beyond the actual building of the model details, there is nothing that ChatGPT owns. All the content they use to train, all of the art they use to train. Everything is stolen/used without permission. Obviously there is more to it than that, because you published it on the internet. Bu…

This litany is already getting old and it's just 2 month in. All intellectual property is inherently stolen. Just let it go.

That's all great until people stop providing intellectual property for free because of the chilling effects.

Artists are already starting to completely paywall their content.

How far do we let AI scraping and incorporation go? Just say "fuck it" until there's nothing left to scrape other than content also made by AI?

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by cmdialog »

jstummbillig wrote: post #103
dubcanada wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed the memo of the comment. They were referring to the fact that everything ChatGPT is built on is other peoples work. Beyond the actual building of the model details, there is nothing that ChatGPT owns. All the content they use to train, all of the art they use to train. Everything is stolen/used without permission. Obviously there is more to it than that, because you published it on the internet. Bu…

This litany is already getting old and it's just 2 month in. All intellectual property is inherently stolen. Just let it go.

I wonder how large the Venn overlap is for people who think IP is good and people who don't think hip hop is "real music"?

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by devmor »

dubcanada wrote: post #112
smoldesu wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we enforced intellectual property rights that harshly, nothing more complex than a 6502 would have ever been made.

I personally don't think IP has a place in modern society. But I was mostly replying to the authors comment. My concerns mostly lie with the fact it's owned largely by $MSFT rather than a more "open source" contributing to society entity. But again that's a much different topic.

I'd say IP is more important in modern society than at any time in history.

It shouldn't have a place, but so long as people require the ownership of their own concepts to gain food and shelter, it has to.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by LordDragonfang »

jstummbillig wrote: post #103
dubcanada wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed the memo of the comment. They were referring to the fact that everything ChatGPT is built on is other peoples work. Beyond the actual building of the model details, there is nothing that ChatGPT owns. All the content they use to train, all of the art they use to train. Everything is stolen/used without permission. Obviously there is more to it than that, because you published it on the internet. Bu…

This litany is already getting old and it's just 2 month in. All intellectual property is inherently stolen. Just let it go.

Two months? The (ai-luddite) preachers have been reciting this litany since the first decent diffusion models released over a year ago. They haven't slowed down any.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

ranger_danger wrote: post #31
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how long until GitHub acts on the DMCA? I am not familiar with the process. OpenAI issues DMCA to GitHub, GitHub passes it along to the user, user... has the right to ignore it and leave all of the content up and update the README with a poem?

Github first disables the repo as soon as the report is received, and then waits for a response/appeal from the user before any further action is taken.

Why isn't this repo disabled then yet? They already appealed and... won? Or you just have to submit the appeal and they enable your repo again no matter what while the process plays out?

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #131
supermatt wrote: post #43

Not to be confused with gpt4all https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all which is a "free" GPT LLM. It seems this gpt4free was basically hijacking 3rd parties services that use GPT-4, bypassing the official OpenAI APIs in order to avoid paying for inference. Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... I'm not surprised they have been issued a takedown notice.

It's not clear to me that DMCA Takedown is an applicable legal process for that, but I guess when does that ever stop anyone these days. What specific US laws do folks think that repo (or running/using the software in that repo) might have been violating? (I agree it seems likely that it's _some_ law, I'm not challenging that just asking if anyone has a legal analysis they want to share).

CFAA[0] is one that comes to mind but I also think that has different issues with what might be overly vague terminology. It at least seems more applicable to this, though I am certainly not a legal expert.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by heyyyouu »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #131
supermatt wrote: post #43

Not to be confused with gpt4all https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all which is a "free" GPT LLM. It seems this gpt4free was basically hijacking 3rd parties services that use GPT-4, bypassing the official OpenAI APIs in order to avoid paying for inference. Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... I'm not surprised they have been issued a takedown notice.

It's not clear to me that DMCA Takedown is an applicable legal process for that, but I guess when does that ever stop anyone these days. What specific US laws do folks think that repo (or running/using the software in that repo) might have been violating? (I agree it seems likely that it's _some_ law, I'm not challenging that just asking if anyone has a legal analysis they want to share).

It's an excellent point. DMCA is for copyright. My take (I have a background in this area but IANAL): I think they can get away with the copyright because of the name/content usage (no one of the opposite end of the request is going to question that, it seems obvious), but I think it's clear to those in the know that's not WHY they went after this one.

In theory, they could probably use DCMA to go after anyone using the terms (right or wrong). In practicality, they used it as a tool to go after this particular one because they didn't like what they were doing.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by LordDragonfang »

rwl4 wrote: post #23

This project is designed to allow people to use ChatGPT via reversed engineered private APIs. It's not surprising they went after this. Here's the project description from the README: Have you ever come across some amazing projects that you couldn't use just because you didn't have an OpenAI API key? We've got you covered! This repository offers reverse-engineered third-party APIs for GPT-4/3.5, sourced from various…

>projects that you couldn't use just because you didn't have an OpenAI API key?

It's amazing how the repo phrases this like "having an OpenAI API key" is something that's gatekept, rather than something you get by making a free account. (You may not be able to use it, but the more honest phrasing of "don't want to pay for your own API usage" is apparently too transparent for what this is offering.)

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