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Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by jrochkind1 »

supermatt wrote: post #43

Not to be confused with gpt4all https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all which is a "free" GPT LLM. It seems this gpt4free was basically hijacking 3rd parties services that use GPT-4, bypassing the official OpenAI APIs in order to avoid paying for inference. Of course, that means that the hijacked 3rd parties are the ones footing the bill... I'm not surprised they have been issued a takedown notice.

It's not clear to me that DMCA Takedown is an applicable legal process for that, but I guess when does that ever stop anyone these days.

What specific US laws do folks think that repo (or running/using the software in that repo) might have been violating? (I agree it seems likely that it's _some_ law, I'm not challenging that just asking if anyone has a legal analysis they want to share).

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by selfmodruntime »

bee_rider wrote: post #119
selfmodruntime wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time and time again. You are protected in your speech from the government . Commercial law does and will still apply. Arbitrary company decisions happen all the time, and GitHub makes it clear that they won’t refrain from deleting repos for whatever reason.

Any law is ultimately enforced by the government. There isn’t a different type of law to which the constitution doesn’t apply (I mean it doesn’t say a ton about limiting various types of laws—laws around contracts, state law, etc etc—but it still applies, it just doesn’t say much). However, this seems more like an issue of corporate policy than law. Github needs to have some policy that ends up with them taking down…

> Any law is ultimately enforced by the government

So? That’s not what the first amendment applies to. You do not have first amendment rights in civil cases. This is not “an idea”. It’s just how it is. See libel.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

RobotToaster wrote: post #116
mden wrote: post #63

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Is the gas in the car you parked publicly really yours ("private") if there is a way to siphon it out? Just because there is a way to obtain a resource doesn't make it yours automatically..

An API is a publicly available service. It's more like having a tap with a sign over it saying "free gas", then getting mad when people use it.

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Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by chefandy »

jstummbillig wrote: post #103
dubcanada wrote: post #99

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I think you missed the memo of the comment. They were referring to the fact that everything ChatGPT is built on is other peoples work. Beyond the actual building of the model details, there is nothing that ChatGPT owns. All the content they use to train, all of the art they use to train. Everything is stolen/used without permission. Obviously there is more to it than that, because you published it on the internet. Bu…

This litany is already getting old and it's just 2 month in. All intellectual property is inherently stolen. Just let it go.

The topic's biggest cop-out. Intellectual property doesn't exist in a vacuum. I have limited-to-zero sympathy for corporate entities like Getty images that hoard IP, but our society's social contract says labor isn't free unless people donate it. We need to implement some sort of alternate compensation system before entirely disregarding IP so we don't pull the rug out from under perfectly honest independent creatives with kids and mortgages and medical bills plying their craft in an established system. Until then, taking the fruits of creative labor without permission is theft that is much more consequential and much less morally defensible than what you describe.

I'll bet if someone outside of our IP jurisdiction figured out a way to reliably and thoroughly reverse engineer the most complex commercial software from binaries so people could spit out a working, fully-customized copy of a commercial application from a prompt, and the entirety of the software development market would soon collapse, the tenor of this conversation would be very different.

Maybe the people with the very ethically defensible stance that private property is theft would be totally fine with OpenAI knocking down your home to build their new headquarters without compensating you? Imagine the progress! (hint: they probably wouldn't be ok with it)

None of this stuff exists in a vacuum. None of it.

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Post by drusepth »

Veen wrote: post #101
s17n wrote: post #95

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They can. Now you know.

So, if I create a cat GIF API, but announce that it's a private cat GIF API only I am allowed to use, I can sue anyone else who uses it to retrieve a cat GIF?

Legally and literally: yes.

Knowingly using a private API without authorization can fall under CFAA, contract law, copyright law, trespass to chattel, etc -- and you can issue a C&D and/or sue for whatever is relevant.

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Post by circuit10 »

leothecool wrote: post #72
chii wrote: post #57

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It's still trespassing if the private property owner did not invite you in, even if there wasn't a locked door.

Is it still trespassing if you ask to be let in, and the butler lets you in when he's not supposed to?

If you trick the butler into letting you in by lying when you are aware that the home owner doesn't want you there then probably

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by sreejithr »

charcircuit wrote: post #53
sandis wrote: post #38

A lot of comments confuse this with a different repo. It has nothing to do with the name. This project is/was a way to use LLM APIs on someone else's dime. It's the equivalent of "S3 4 free" where someone would collect exposed AWS credentials and use them to store their stuff.

This isn't about exposed credentials though. It would be like an autmatic image uploder that could pick an image hosting site such as imgur and upload the image for you and give you a link. Services are offering the ability to host images for you. You aren't stealing imgur's s3 credentials. They just let any user upload images for free despite the fact it technically costs them money to host the file for you. Similar…

No service allows you to upload to some other user's Imgur account. The services like the ones you mentioned usually provide a service and do it on the user's behalf to the user's account.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by seattle_spring »

engineer_22 wrote: post #87
seattle_spring wrote: post #47

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First amendment! Censorship! 2nd amendment for some reason! Yeah in all seriousness people trot out perceived constitutional infringements about 500x times more than it actually happens.

Your rights are your rights, don't give them up.

Totally. It’s just that not every restriction in the world is an infringement on your rights.
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