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Post by scarface_74 »

account42 wrote: post #387
scarface74 wrote: post #339

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For reference: to be part of a hotels “rewards program” just requires you to create a free account. What privacy concerns are you alleviating by not signing up for the hotels loyalty program? They are going to ask for ID when you get there and many require a credit card hold.

You can read the terms of service and privacy agreement for that "free account" to find out. In general, the Hotel would not be offering a rewards program if it did not benefit them more than it cost. At the very least they are going to use your "free account" to try to get you to use that Hotel (chain) more.

They will be getting that information from you anyway when you check in.

Who do you think is more likely to sell your information to third parties - a hotel brand that has every incentive to keep your information to themselves or an aggregator?

> cost. At the very least they are going to use your "free account" to try to get you to use that Hotel (chain) more.

And a third party aggregator won’t try to get you to use their site more?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by Alupis »

j1elo wrote: post #437
Alupis wrote: post #191

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You are both saying the same thing. The hotel has a room they want to sell for $100 a night. They can list it on their website for $100 a night, and after paying credit card processing fees, they get to keep the remainder. The hotel now lists the same room on one of the booking sites that charges a x% fee for facilitating the transaction and providing discovery for the hotel (getting the room in front of interested c…

I took it as " of course we'll charge you the x% of Booking, so reserve with us if you want to save it". But it makes sense that not all operators will act the same.

I would wager your more luxurious, expensive hotels have enough "cushion" to absorb these fees - while your standard hotels may not.

You see similar things on online marketplaces, such as Amazon. Amazon's commission fee can be anywhere from 15%-30%, depending on the category. Unless there's huge margin baked into the product price, you may very well be paying 15-30% more for the product on Amazon. Not always, of course, as it does come down the the business and the strategy they've chosen.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by poszlem »

somethingreen wrote: post #398
poszlem wrote: post #125

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> but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship. So is all censorship. No censor calls censorship "Censorship". An example from my country of birth: Main Office of Control over the Press, Publications and Performances, since 1981 the Main Office of Control over Publications and Performances - the central office of state censorship in the Polish People's Republic. It was a censorship body (analogou…

The benefits of censoring misinformation are obvious if you think about it for even a couple minutes. If you run a community tech support forum and someone starts suggesting deletion of windows32 directory as a solution to other users issues, do you let them do that? If some neighbor in your bbq party claims to be a doctor and goes on a rant about benefits of microdosing rat poison, do you invite them ever again? Do…

When you first think about it for a bit, it might seem logical, but when you ponder it a bit longer, it doesn't. Censorship essentially comes down to this: some folks believe they know better than others about what those others should want. There's a fitting quote: "A censor is someone who knows more than they think you should." In a world where yesterday's "misinformation" becomes today's fact, you'd have to be pretty clueless to believe that we can determine what is or isn't misinformation.

Also, honestly, the spam filter example (and the rest of your examples) is pretty ridiculous. I don't turn it off, but I'd definitely freak out if my email provider decided to censor my messages for my own good without letting me see them. If nothing else then because of how many false positives I constantly see in my spam folder.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by BrendanEich »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #158
minsc_and_boo wrote: post #99

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with choosing products and services that don't align with your views either. Just look at conservatives trying to cancel budweiser & disney. I wasn't aware of Ein's outspoken and proactive homophobia, so this is still news to some.

Outspoken and proactive? Now you're reaching.

Maybe he fell for the lie upthread where someone else's words were attributed to me. That got this subtree flagged and cut off, thanks to dang.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by BrendanEich »

soundnote wrote: post #384
nostromo wrote: post #160

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After the invasion of Ukraine they announced they would be removing sites "associated with Russian disinformation." They haven't provided a definition of what that includes. Lots of DDG users were upset because this is the type of thing they objected to with Google.

In DDG's defense, some of the censorship was required by law - we don't know if DDG went further than demanded - and Eich himself will tell you that Brave had to remove some results as well.

No, I never said we removed anything due to some nation state's MiniTrue calling it misinformation or disinformation.

All search engines must comply with laws (CSAM, right to be forgotten or whatever it is called now) in various regions. That compliance is not in any way the same category as what DDG boasted in March 2022 that it was doing.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by lisasays »

lisasays wrote: post #197
torial wrote: post #179

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That isn't the only definition. For example Cambridge's definition of censorship ( https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/censo... ) "the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, movie, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishe…

Implicit in that the action is about preventing someone else from making that content public.

"Implicit in that [definition is that] the action ..."

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by caycep »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #270
caycep wrote: post #9

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I use both. Brave is better for the "chromium only" wonky websites/webapps. But the whole altruistic privacy thing is kind of undercut, at least optics-wise, by all the crypto/gamification upsell present by default. Not good when your supposedly privacy-focused browser requires extensive fiddling in the settings to shut everything off on initial install a-la Windows 11...

You can literally disable the ads in Brave. I've never seen any other advertiser offer that option.

I would say defaults matter, and say a lot about priorities. I don't want to be judgmental about their funding model, but to have all of that turned on, after a fresh install, and in your face, by default...

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Post by vGPU »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #243
lmm wrote: post #221

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> (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Booking, Travelocity, Expedia, etc., it's somewhere between hard and hopeless.) That's utterly backwards IME. On Booking.com, most modifications are the push of a button (that, crucially, is right there in the UI that I already kn…

Not true. But I won’t discuss that. Here’s something else — the most critical part of a booking — the booking itself. Go talk to third party aggregator chat bot when you realise you don’t even have a booking that you booked. 4-5 days later if you’re lucky you’ll receive an apology email if you’re lucky, which mentions that they do not want you have that experience and they’ve send it for feedback to the relevant team…

Re: issues w/ travel plans - I’ve gotten stranded or left SOL before. My general course of action is to just buy a new ticket/room/whatever and file a claim on my credit card. My wife cracked the bumper of a rental. Chase paid. Flight got canceled. Polish air refused to give me a refund until 6+ months later after I had filed a complaint with DOT. I booked a new (more expensive) flight and Amex covered the cost.

I did get absolutely screwed once though. Turns out you can’t book a hotel in Paris after midnight because the system rolls the date over. Ended up sleeping on a couch in the lobby that night.

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Post by soundnote »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #436
soundnote wrote: post #396

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> * The new tab page shows crypto ads by default. I couldn't figure out how to opt-out of these despite a couple of minutes in the "customize dashboard" menu. I know the option exists, but it's well-hidden. Customize->Background image. Has a total of two switches. One for background images at all, the other for sponsored background images. Turn the second one off.

So it's not part of the "dashboard" with all the other UI elements on the new tab page despite having its own HTML elements and the option is hidden in the seemingly unrelated background image menu? That certainly is well hidden.

What areyou even on about? There's a clear customize button on the new tab page, that has a clear background image customization. If you want to change it where else would you look?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by soundnote »

BrendanEich wrote: post #445
soundnote wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In DDG's defense, some of the censorship was required by law - we don't know if DDG went further than demanded - and Eich himself will tell you that Brave had to remove some results as well.

No, I never said we removed anything due to some nation state's MiniTrue calling it misinformation or disinformation. All search engines must comply with laws (CSAM, right to be forgotten or whatever it is called now) in various regions. That compliance is not in any way the same category as what DDG boasted in March 2022 that it was doing.

I didn't try to imply such: Like I said, you had to remove things by law. No?

Could've been clearer, I guess.

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