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Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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In that case, you're not wrong; but as per the original topic, touchscreens are also not your issue.

No, and it is *glorious*. The only electronic thing on the whole dashboard is the clock, and it's never worked.

At a guess, the controls that you do use, you could probably work with your eyes closed (or eyes on the road, it amounts to much the same thing)

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Pro Tip: So do ER Doctors and Insurance Companies. What would be best is something along the lines of a hybrid aircraft controls. See F/A-18 Hornet cockpit. Basically tactile buttons around the perimeter (maybe just side or bottom for consumer), but the options can change. Also for consumers, touchscreen should be a value-add to tactile controls, with hardware buttons as primary. So you could touch-scroll with a fing…

A lot of small aircraft controls have moved to touchscreens, and they're terrible, especially in turbulence.

On gliders it's common to have buttons on top of the stick. There are and like buttons and a 4-way button emulating the arrow keys. Using these to navigate menus still demands a whole lot attention. It just isn't very predictable.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Eh, those backup cameras are super useful though, and the screen can be small. My 2013 Kia has mostly physical buttons and like an 8 inch or so touchscreen (that I never touch). I would hate losing that camera. Plus those screens can be useful for safety. I much prefer the screen on my dashboard for maps compared to having it on my phone (even with a mount it's bouncy and small)

But a small screen feels 'cheap' and for many ruins that car's experience.

Automotive screens sizes are small because they must exceed vibration and temperature tolerances of other devices, which drives up cost. Unlike an iPad, in-car screens need to work from ~0F to ~130F every day, because the back-up camera MUST work.

When Tesla introduced giant screens, then ran into problems with panels not being "automotive grade."

See: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19905299

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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post #972

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A lot of small aircraft controls have moved to touchscreens, and they're terrible, especially in turbulence.

On gliders it's common to have buttons on top of the stick. There are and like buttons and a 4-way button emulating the arrow keys. Using these to navigate menus still demands a whole lot attention. It just isn't very predictable.

I drove a friend's Audi and it had the best input method possible, down on the center console next to the gear shift there was a little nub joystick that allowed 8 way movement on the map, the collar of the nub rotated to cycle around the menus, and you pushed it down to click. There was a back button next to it on the console.

This actually made me consider an Audi, except for the fact that by the time I drove it this was an older model, and that input had long been superseded by a pure touchscreen.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

#975

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Eh, those backup cameras are super useful though, and the screen can be small. My 2013 Kia has mostly physical buttons and like an 8 inch or so touchscreen (that I never touch). I would hate losing that camera. Plus those screens can be useful for safety. I much prefer the screen on my dashboard for maps compared to having it on my phone (even with a mount it's bouncy and small)

But a small screen feels 'cheap' and for many ruins that car's experience.

A large screen with bad UI design would feel cheaper. With physical buttons and knobs, you can have finishes and smooth tactile feedbacks that make them feel luxurious. However with touchscreen UIs it is extremely hard to make it feel polished and high-quality, almost perfectly balancing efficiency and aesthetics, like apple used to do.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Even US Navy prohibits touchscreens on weapon systems and radars. Slapping your ship bow from the crest might likely press the wrong coordinate or fire button instead.

Someone should do a skit where military UIs are all replaced by current consumer-tech UIs, along with its dark patterns. That’d actually be hilarious.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49319450.amp

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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post #391

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Someone should do a skit where military UIs are all replaced by current consumer-tech UIs, along with its dark patterns. That’d actually be hilarious.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49319450.amp

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6kic0j/til_t...

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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that must explain why 99.99% of tvs sold are dumb tv's because there is such a clamoring demand for them... oh wait.

Because manufacturers sell whatever profit seeking, cost-cutting measures best fatten shareholder dividends. You are exactly right.

you understand people still have to buy things for companies to make them right?

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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I just don't understand the need for "infotainment" in cars. I carry a screen in my pocket that I mount to my dashboard. It does a much better job of navigating me around and enabling me to talk to people than any goofy head unit with UX designed at a car manufacturer ever could.

All I need in a car is a knob for the air conditioning and a knob for the volume. I still just use a single din aftermarket stereo that plays music from an SD card. I will never have anything more. I will drive cars as old as myself if I have to for the rest of my life before I allow some car manufacturer to push me around.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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I'm surprised the article didn't mention one of the key regulations that led to this as an unintended consequence: By law, cars in the US must now have a back-up camera. That means every car must have a screen. Given that, automakers figured they may as well use the damn thing for everything else too and cut costs. It wasn't just that they wanted to take away tactile controls to save money. It was that they had to ma…

Did back up cameras save that many lives?

It's not always about lives saved. In the scenario that backup cameras help prevent, the vehicle isn't going very fast. And kids are small. That doesn't mean kids don't get seriously injured as a result. I've known three people that have been backed over, myself included (and that's just the ones I know; I don't survey everyone I meet). Minor injuries for two of them, very-much-not-minor injuries to myself that I deal with decades later.
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