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Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

> Intel needs to seriously look at Linux...

Does Linux need Intel though? ARM Linux systems are surprisingly nice. Asahi Linux is probably going to be the best Linux laptop experience.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

> Intel needs to seriously look at Linux

What should Intel be doing with Linux that they haven't already been doing for like 20 years?

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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> losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) Of course they care. Windows, at one point, had 95% market share. Do you believe that to be sustainable? Do we want that? No, in both cases. They are still dominant in desktop computing. > offers 10x the performance the average person will need Why is buying something 10x more powerful than you'd need at 2x the price "good valu…

> Of course they care. If they care they sure don't act like it. Microsoft is clearly squeezing Windows users for whatever revenue is left. Nothing else explains the user hostility, backwards compatibility breaks and unending advertising and data collection.

My parents aren't technical and don't see the builtin ads and news feed as being user hostile.

They like that candy crush is pre-installed and that Windows shows them random spam news articles that they find interesting.

I hate it and use a Mac, but I suspect most users aren't like you and me.

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You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

I struggle now with 16 GB on my work laptop. 8 is absolutely anemic for anyone planning to get several years out of a machine.

I have 8gig and its completely fine for webdev work. Its faster machine than my desktop. It has to be completely fine for majority of work people do on computers.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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I find it kind of amazing that Intel haven't found a way to profit during the global chip shortage. Look at food and energy over the past year or so: supermarket and oil & gas companies are posting record profits. They are riding the wave of price rises and supply constraints. What's different about CPUs?

If I understand the situation correctly, most of the chips in short supply use old fab processes which are not Intel's specialty.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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> losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) Of course they care. Windows, at one point, had 95% market share. Do you believe that to be sustainable? Do we want that? No, in both cases. They are still dominant in desktop computing. > offers 10x the performance the average person will need Why is buying something 10x more powerful than you'd need at 2x the price "good valu…

If they cared there wouldn’t be tabloid news in everything spare panel.

I commented on thus somewhere else, but it seems fitting here as well: my non-technical parents love the tabloid news that Windows shows, and they love that candy crush is pre-installed.

I suspect most users are not the same as the HM crowd.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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I find it kind of amazing that Intel haven't found a way to profit during the global chip shortage. Look at food and energy over the past year or so: supermarket and oil & gas companies are posting record profits. They are riding the wave of price rises and supply constraints. What's different about CPUs?

They are very different types of goods... Food and energy are required by everyone, so when the supermarkets and energy companies decide to price gouge and profiteer (as they have been), people have few other options than just to pay the higher prices... People and businesses can mostly just delay buying new computers if they are too expensive.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

> the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right!

Ehh... Is it?

I use the M1 issued by my employer. It's an okay machine in terms of hardware, but I absolutely loathe MacOS. I certainly wouldn't pay for the M1 at the price they sell it, way over expensive toy.

I vastly prefer my personal machine, which is a 4 year old Dell with Linux Mint installed. A joy to use, powerful enough for everything I do (development, gaming), and has a GPU I can use to play with StableDiffusion.

The only thing where the M1 is the winner is in battery life... But 99% of the time I use my laptop on my desk anyway, power supply is no issue.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. That's not within reach for a large majority of the worlds population. Not even within reach for a lot people in richer western countries. Most people need a Webbrowser that can do Email, Streaming, and some social media. What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good…

> The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax.

Get the MacMini. The low end M2 Mac mini is $599.00 USD right now, although the one I run for my desktop is the more expensive one at $2,199 with 32GB, more cores, more gpu and more drive space.

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