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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#11

Post by sokoloff »

mschild wrote: post #4
0zemp2c wrote: post #2

hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. That's not within reach for a large majority of the worlds population. Not even within reach for a lot people in richer western countries. Most people need a Webbrowser that can do Email, Streaming, and some social media. What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good…

You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m...

I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easily achievable next entry-level step up.

Looking at the best selling laptops at Microcenter, they're $600, $700, $700, $1100, $800, $800, $750, $900... Having an M1 Air slotted in at $800 seems right in-line with the market.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#12

Post by itsoktocry »

0zemp2c wrote: post #2

hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

>losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict)

Of course they care.

Windows, at one point, had 95% market share. Do you believe that to be sustainable? Do we want that? No, in both cases. They are still dominant in desktop computing.

>offers 10x the performance the average person will need

Why is buying something 10x more powerful than you'd need at 2x the price "good value"?

>a better OS/ecosystem

This is debatable. I don't find MacOS to be all that great, personally.

>once Windows enters into a death spiral in a few years

You should have a look at Windows' desktop market share and get back to us. They still own the space.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#13

Post by itsoktocry »

blagie wrote: post #9
mschild wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. That's not within reach for a large majority of the worlds population. Not even within reach for a lot people in richer western countries. Most people need a Webbrowser that can do Email, Streaming, and some social media. What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good…

> What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good 75% market share and while that fluctuates, it doesn't seem to really drastically decrease. Of what? Most of what I see normal consumers doing is in Android, typically on ARM. I think my observations are a little biased, but not a lot. According to statcounter: Android 41.56% Windows 28.29% iOS 17.29% OS X 7% Unknown 3.05% Chrome OS 1.32% Cri…

>Most of what I see normal consumers doing is in Android, typically on ARM

Comparing cell phone OS to a desktop OS is a bit silly. Nobody in the corporate world is doing work on Android.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#14

Post by coffeebeqn »

sokoloff wrote: post #11
mschild wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. That's not within reach for a large majority of the worlds population. Not even within reach for a lot people in richer western countries. Most people need a Webbrowser that can do Email, Streaming, and some social media. What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good…

You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

8GB is pretty sad though and it’s soldered on with no ability to upgrade

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by throwaway2990 »

allie1 wrote: post #10
0zemp2c wrote: post #2

hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

The x86 ecosystem is far superior to Apple Silicon, and that is not going away any time soon. Macs have one big advantage - efficiency, which translates to long battery life and more importantly for me personally - NOT OVERHEATING. However, porting software to apple silicon results in inefficiencies, and for developers it gets a bit trickier. I have a M1 Max with 65GB ram and I love it, but the moment Intel comes out…

What inefficiency are you talking about? Graviton instances in aws run general software better than x86.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#17

Post by shortrounddev »

sokoloff wrote: post #11
mschild wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. That's not within reach for a large majority of the worlds population. Not even within reach for a lot people in richer western countries. Most people need a Webbrowser that can do Email, Streaming, and some social media. What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good…

You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

> 5 years

Because Apple will forcibly kill it after that with incompatible software updates. Windows machines keep going until they physically break.

But what everyone here is missing is that the consumer desktop/laptop market is dying itself. Soon it will only be for enterprise uses and gaming. Most people do all their computing through a phone or tablet. I know people who don't own a laptop.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#18

Post by RandomWorker »

drumhead wrote: post #7

This looks like some big bath accounting by Intel. Getting all the bad news out of the way in what was expected to be a bad year anyway. The next couple of years will be make or break for them, so Im expecting to see some good things coming out of their pipeline.

Doesn’t the bathing come in the form of write offs and investments? Sales decline is never good. But it’s hard to say they have any good products Ive considered buying in the past two years or so. I actively right now wouldn’t consider a pc option if it came with intel.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by The_Colonel »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #14
sokoloff wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

8GB is pretty sad though and it’s soldered on with no ability to upgrade

Especially if you plan to use it for next 5 years. Perhaps if you're sure you don't want to do anything other than web browsing, but then maybe you don't actually need the M1.

BTW, the cheapest M1 Air (8 GB RAM) in Austria is 1200 EUR.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

#20

Post by blagie »

itsoktocry wrote: post #13
blagie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What makes you think windows is in a death spiral? They still have a good 75% market share and while that fluctuates, it doesn't seem to really drastically decrease. Of what? Most of what I see normal consumers doing is in Android, typically on ARM. I think my observations are a little biased, but not a lot. According to statcounter: Android 41.56% Windows 28.29% iOS 17.29% OS X 7% Unknown 3.05% Chrome OS 1.32% Cri…

> Most of what I see normal consumers doing is in Android, typically on ARM Comparing cell phone OS to a desktop OS is a bit silly. Nobody in the corporate world is doing work on Android.

Intel is in the CPU market, not in the "corporate desktop" market.

If you'd like to see how well trying to focus on that niche works, have a look at DEC Alpha, MIPS, PA-RISC, Itanium, Sparc, PowerPC, etc.

At the end of the day, it comes down to manufacturing volume. Volume leads to investment in next-generation technologies. More investment means, at some point, competitors can't keep up. Manufacturing doesn't care too much about who the ultimate end user is.

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