Amazing project!
However, I would not do it by foot, even with the best intentions like they seems to have 40minutes in a tunnel will bring me down ahah
Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just be sure to bring a raincoat
A colleague of mine applied to the university of Bergen. At the interview, they gave him a promotional gift: an umbrella.
While everybody in Norway (including the citizens of Bergen) like to quip about the Bergen downpour, it really isn't that bad.
Annual precipitation is approx. 2,500mm, distributed over some 230 days.
The wettest place in Norway, on average, is Brekke a couple of hours north of Bergen, receiving some 3,500mm annually.
As I used to say when living in Bergen if a tourist asked me if it always rained there - 'No idea, I've only lived here for fifteen years!'
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#83Why can't we support and encourage cycling without vilifying cars in these threads? I've seen plenty of places that do both very well, like Spain. Everybody has a car and bicycle (at least one) and uses whatever fits the purpose at the time. I get it, when there's not cycling infrastructure everybody is forced to take the car even if it doesn't make any sense, like for short trips, good weather, single passenger, no…
'Everybody has a car and bicycle...' I'm not sure this is true, but, on the wider point of cars v cycles it comes down to the usual problem of neither not wanting to share the same space. I have lived in Spain, though mainly live in the UK, and in either place I would not feel safe riding a bike (or scooter) on a public road. I should add that car drivers and bike riders can be as bad as each other, it's just that ca…
As a cyclist, I don't have an issue sharing space with other traffic, but I do have an issue with the hyper-aggressive drivers that seek to scare and/or injure cyclists by not giving them enough space when overtaking. There's also the abusive drivers that shout at you and beep their horn at you if they disagree with any choices that you've made such as which road to use.
Drivers and riders are hardly comparable in terms of dangerous behaviour and that's without even taking into account any consideration of pollution and environmental destruction (e.g. car parks, lithium mining etc.)
Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway
#84Why can't we support and encourage cycling without vilifying cars in these threads? I've seen plenty of places that do both very well, like Spain. Everybody has a car and bicycle (at least one) and uses whatever fits the purpose at the time. I get it, when there's not cycling infrastructure everybody is forced to take the car even if it doesn't make any sense, like for short trips, good weather, single passenger, no…
I think it might be an American thing - at least the polarization part. Over here in Poland some of my friends and relatives switched to scooters(125cc typically) when fuel prices spiked and are largely happy with the result - especially this one guy who used to daily a Nissan Pathfinder. Of course this becomes difficult in winter and inclement weather conditions, but I also see fewer cyclists then. People need to re…
> People need to realize that even the Dutch generally have cars and drive.
It depends a lot where you are. Live in a major city and very few people have cars, they're expensive and spend a lot of time just sitting around taking up space and money. Go to a less dense area and they're a lot more common.
Also, pay-by-the-minute or whatever car rentals aren't uncommon for when people need them but don't want to actually own one.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But there's plenty of occasions when you really need a car. Eh, depends on your needs, really. I've gotten along without one for decades; I keep meaning to learn to drive, but it never rises to the top of the priority list as I just don't really have a use for it.
Also works for me, though it is not optimal in my more rural area. Big cities should be fine.
People also just adjust. If you don't drive--or at least can't rent a car easily/don't want to--you just tend not to do activities or go places requiring that you do so. I couldn't get by day-to-day without a car but even if I lived in the city, I'd regularly want to drive one to visit people, do weekend activities, etc.
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#86In Amsterdam a bridge over the water connecting Central Amsterdam with the North is always a hot topic, for decades of talking about it sill hasn't materialized. A few serious alternatives that were proposed where tunnels for bikes. But they consistently decide not to do it because of safety concerns at night. Which is hopefully a bigger issue in Amsterdam than Bergen.
In Rotterdam they close the Maastunnel to cyclists and pedestrians at night. There are also people stationed in it during the day at either end. I don't see why Amsterdam couldn't do the same.
A tunnel that you can't use at night makes it significant less useful. I really enjoy returning home by bike at night when public transport has stopped or is running on significantly reduced capacity.
Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway
#87In Amsterdam a bridge over the water connecting Central Amsterdam with the North is always a hot topic, for decades of talking about it sill hasn't materialized. A few serious alternatives that were proposed where tunnels for bikes. But they consistently decide not to do it because of safety concerns at night. Which is hopefully a bigger issue in Amsterdam than Bergen.
Some people probably think the city look worse because of them but there are some really nice cycling+pedestrian bridges in Copenhagen.
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#88Only tangentially related, but I'm a bit dissapointed by Google Maps: when searching for this tunnel (and the tram line that it doubles as an escape tunnel for), all the copyright notices are from 2023, but there is no trace of it to be seen. I was expecting to at least see the construction works (these things usually take years to complete), but nothing. And there's also no "transit" layer for Bergen. Gotta do bette…
OpenStreetMap's got you covered: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/677727136
Sure, I was expecting nothing less from OSM's great community - now we just need some legal way to put aerial imagery on OSM :(
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Famous example of pedestrian bridge resonances: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Bridge,_London#Re...
Sure but again, just like packing people onto a bridge like sardines, it's an unusual circumstance. While vehicles driving all day over a bridge is not unusual. And even vehicles getting stuck on a bridge due to some traffic issue is not unusual either. One has to consider what is daily use, not just the exceptional cases.
> One has to consider what is daily use, not just the exceptional cases.
generally it's the exceptional case that it's designed around though
Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway
#90One of the articles linked at the bottom of the article includes a video: https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43249948/longest-cycle-tunne... And the CNN article linked at the bottom has more pictures: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-longest-cyclin...
And, of course, there is a car parked in the bike lane blocking the entrance to the tunnel (very start of the video).