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Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by trinix912 »

epaga wrote: post #245

Siri is without a doubt in my mind the most embarrassing thing Apple has had on the market in the past 20 years. With ChatGPT it is now feeling like Siri the broken tricycle is being compared to a Lamborghini. Honestly I would have been concerned if Apple employees weren’t frustrated with Siri. Pretty sure they need to take Siri out to pasture and start some LLM-based project from scratch.

> With ChatGPT it is now feeling like Siri the broken tricycle is being compared to a Lamborghini.

Just wait a bit.

“Hey Siri call X”

-“As an AI language learning model, I cannot know X from your contacts”

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by hombre_fatal »

heleninboodler wrote: post #179
deepspace wrote: post #169

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Oh dear $deity. Why does it insist on capitalizing "and" in the middle of a sentence?

On my phone, I've somehow gotten into a situation where I can't type "butt" without it autocorrecting it to "Butt".

There needs to be a way to reset this kind of learned behavior.

I must have accidentally corrected "and" into "abs" once because now my iPhone always corrects "and" into "abs" when I use swipe gestures.

"Bob abs Katie are here".

Since I never notice it until I send the message, it's becoming so cocksure about the correction that there's no going back.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by m463 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #302
heleninboodler wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On my phone, I've somehow gotten into a situation where I can't type "butt" without it autocorrecting it to "Butt".

There needs to be a way to reset this kind of learned behavior. I must have accidentally corrected "and" into "abs" once because now my iPhone always corrects "and" into "abs" when I use swipe gestures. "Bob abs Katie are here". Since I never notice it until I send the message, it's becoming so cocksure about the correction that there's no going back.

There is someone else I know that always texts me with "abs" instead of "and"

I think there was a dictionary you can reset.

EDIT: "Settings > General > Reset; Tap Reset Keyboard Dictionary"

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by princevegeta89 »

mikelward wrote: post #274
princevegeta89 wrote: post #266

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The biggest problem I see with Google is that saying "ok Google" feels like a mouth exercise, especially when i have to repeat it so many times in a day.

Have you tried "Hey Google"? One less syllable.

Interesting. But saying "Alexa" or even "Bixby" feels a lot quicker actually.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by ryanjshaw »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #104
lynx23 wrote: post #91

Siri, don't make me even start. I like much of what Apple does, but Siri is just hilariously bad. The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Keywords are randomly being changed, sometimes they fire, a day later you have to use a different phrase to get what you want. They even broke "Where am I" at least in German. "Wo bin ich" is sometimes replied to with "Sein oder nicht sein" (to be…

It's infuriating when I ask Siri to play a song and it decides to pick an obscure remix of the song one day, the actual song another day, then another remix another day. Did they test this at all? Why would you ever pick a more complex/verbose option from the results list?

You get the same issues on Android. There is zero intelligence, it's embarrassing. You can have a song in your library that you've listened to every day of your life, but it'll still decide you actually want to listen to some weird track you've never heard of just because the names are similar.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by hombre_fatal »

m463 wrote: post #303
hombre_fatal wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There needs to be a way to reset this kind of learned behavior. I must have accidentally corrected "and" into "abs" once because now my iPhone always corrects "and" into "abs" when I use swipe gestures. "Bob abs Katie are here". Since I never notice it until I send the message, it's becoming so cocksure about the correction that there's no going back.

There is someone else I know that always texts me with "abs" instead of "and" I think there was a dictionary you can reset. EDIT: "Settings > General > Reset; Tap Reset Keyboard Dictionary"

Thanks!

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by circuit10 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #230
circuit10 wrote: post #136

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> Another point is that many people don't realise that LLMs re-read their entire input for every word they generate! Not every word, for every generation (which on something like ChatGPT is a message) > they can read really fast even when running on mobile device hardware. Think 10K to 100K words per second That’s definitely not right, I’ll try to find some numbers

Please do, I was about to include that statement in a presentation, so if I’m wrong I’d love to be corrected!

I’m really struggling to find any actual numbers so I could be very wrong but I vaguely remember input tokens being around 10x faster

Basing it on pricing doesn’t seem like a good way to estimate it because it varies so much but:

- OpenAI charges the same for input and output tokens, except for GPT4 where output tokens cost twice as much as inputs

- textsynth.org charges 25 times as much for outputs than for inputs

- goose.ai doesn’t charge for inputs

Also you have limited context length so that limits how much data you can read

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by Daz1 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #294
voytec wrote: post #279

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> The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Input recognition quality falling all over the place - it's very much noticeable with their onscreen keyboards as well. Some "intelligent" mechanisms know better which button I tried to tap and I'm getting gibberish even with auto-correct off. It's the same on iPhone and Watch. Apple has already forced me to re-learn keyboards once - with th…

The keyboards on the Apple M Macbooks are good, having used one myself... Except there's this feeling that Macbook keyboards fundamentally "work" differently to all other keyboards out there. I'm primarily a Windows wizard, I use my Macbook for specific tasks and it's not my daily driver. I can type on my Macbook mostly fine, but occasionally it misses some of my key inputs. I know the keyboard works , the key in que…

Sounds like user error, I don't have any such problems with my M2 keyboard.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by c0m »

el_benhameen wrote: post #285
voytec wrote: post #279

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> The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Input recognition quality falling all over the place - it's very much noticeable with their onscreen keyboards as well. Some "intelligent" mechanisms know better which button I tried to tap and I'm getting gibberish even with auto-correct off. It's the same on iPhone and Watch. Apple has already forced me to re-learn keyboards once - with th…

Their swype-style keyboard is an absolute joke—perhaps the most infuriating part of my iphone. I know that it’s easier to criticize than it is to implement, but my god, just a basic markov chain would yield more intelligible results than the shit it comes up with.

Totally agree so I installed SwiftKey. It worked great for years and I’ve been super happy! Then in the last year, SwiftKey has been randomly crashing so while I type I swap between the SwiftKey and normal keyboard unwillingly several times per message. The built-in keyboard seems absolutely determined to believe that the word 'fuck' does not exist.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by Dylan16807 »

huehehue wrote: post #223
mmmmmbop wrote: post #208

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Nah, I'll have to disagree with you there. I don't know about Siri, but I am one of those people using the Google Assistant to set timers and reminders, and for me at least, this is reliable (enough), and definitely faster than by hand. The obvious use case is setting a timer while cooking, when the phone is at the other end of the room and your hands may be dirty, but I'm using it even in non-cooking settings. In fa…

> reliable (enough) This is the key thing, and the formula's different for everyone. I know that my strategy of "look at the clock and remember" will work until I'm senile, as will "panic-check the mail every day until my last tax form arrives and file that night"

> I know that my strategy of "look at the clock and remember" will work until I'm senile

I'm glad you have that option but understand that for many people this will not work and there's nothing they can do to make it work.

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