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Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

#81

I applaud the CMA for taking a leadership role and standing up to Microsoft. Well done! The post-decision commentary by Microsoft is uncalled for and shows how truly evil and manipulative this company has become. Sore loser.

> . . . has become.

Are you new or something?

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

#82

I applaud the CMA for taking a leadership role and standing up to Microsoft. Well done! The post-decision commentary by Microsoft is uncalled for and shows how truly evil and manipulative this company has become. Sore loser.

> . . . has become. Are you new or something?

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Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

#83
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Well, if msft wants to restore confidence: day one, ALL games from ALL their studios with top notch elf/linux builds (not a few games here and there, day 42389, hardly working and supported). Well, this is exactly the same for Sony though. Hard truth: what sells to the people the need of current powerful hardware is nearly only video games... Namely, if you want sell powerful hardware "en masse", you want beautiful 3…

Most likely, these games would suddenly needlessly require Windows 11, and to be logged into a non-local account.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

#84
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You used different words, but describe two entities in a very similar situation. Except a government is larger and essentially held hostage by the two or so major incumbent parties that have settled into every developed democracy. If people want to make the situation better, what are they supposed to do, exactly? How did the protests in France go? Citizens destroyed some private property. And that was it. The governm…

You are using very loaded word for something that isn't even remotely true. People choose which ever party or candidate should represent them in the government, they can at any point decide to vote for new candidates or parties. Protests are not a legalislative form of action but a means for citizens to raise their concerns. Microsofts value does not dictate its power, power dictate power. They got multiple industrie…

Excuse me, but can't you just at any point decide to not use Windows and Office? Well, yes, you can. As well as you can vote for new candidates or parties.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You used different words, but describe two entities in a very similar situation. Except a government is larger and essentially held hostage by the two or so major incumbent parties that have settled into every developed democracy. If people want to make the situation better, what are they supposed to do, exactly? How did the protests in France go? Citizens destroyed some private property. And that was it. The governm…

> How did the protests in France go? Citizens destroyed some private property. And that was it. The government is fine and the president is fine. The French citizens will very likely vote in someone that gives them more of what they want and need. How do I get Microsoft to stop polluting rivers (made up example)?

Try not making up your examples.

That said you have as much control not using Microsoft products and services, as you have control voting.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How did the protests in France go? Citizens destroyed some private property. And that was it. The government is fine and the president is fine. The French citizens will very likely vote in someone that gives them more of what they want and need. How do I get Microsoft to stop polluting rivers (made up example)?

Try not making up your examples. That said you have as much control not using Microsoft products and services, as you have control voting.

Let's just say that I disagree and the opinion you keep expressing here is a fringe opinion.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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post #67

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Well, if a merger is proposed, that's because management has a credible argument that it's a boost for the two companies involved. Say 1%. If one of those is a >$100B company, then that's a $1B boost for the overall economy. If you assume that a $1B boost for the economy is an argument in favour, then all big mergers are supported by credible arguments. (Which may turn out to be wrong in hindsight, of course, but tha…

The absurdity comes from simply ignoring the potential net-negative side-effects of a merger, a 1B boost caused by higher prices is a loss for society due to inflation, there are many externalities from a merger that won't be easily priced. I'm just adding a thought to your point.

Are you saying that inflation necessarily outweighs all positive effects? That sounds like a remarkable claim to my ears.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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post #83
post #43

Well, if msft wants to restore confidence: day one, ALL games from ALL their studios with top notch elf/linux builds (not a few games here and there, day 42389, hardly working and supported). Well, this is exactly the same for Sony though. Hard truth: what sells to the people the need of current powerful hardware is nearly only video games... Namely, if you want sell powerful hardware "en masse", you want beautiful 3…

Most likely, these games would suddenly needlessly require Windows 11, and to be logged into a non-local account.

Or their builds for non-msft platforms would be just trash... or slowly but surely become trash.

There is only one way out of this toxic environment: minimal, ultra-stable in time OS to run beautiful 3D game binaries (basically, the only thing selling powerful hw to people). Current elf/linux would not even fit since there is no static ABI stability (for instance a game executable linked with a glibc 2.34 won't run on system with any previous glibc). So if elf/linux, it has to be without the glibc (or game binaries must be pure ELF64 binaries, not elf C runtime binaries). That said, the runtime part of elf is actually the core of the issue... we need a wayland/json of a "runtime elf" which will slash away some expensive features then will require significant work on many software components (static TLS will go away). I wrote such specs (they are excrutiating simple)but my experience tells me to actually make it work with a "real" system first, because in such complex system we always fail to see something important, _always_.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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post #87
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absurdity comes from simply ignoring the potential net-negative side-effects of a merger, a 1B boost caused by higher prices is a loss for society due to inflation, there are many externalities from a merger that won't be easily priced. I'm just adding a thought to your point.

Are you saying that inflation necessarily outweighs all positive effects? That sounds like a remarkable claim to my ears.

No, I'm implying that inflation caused by a diminished competitive environment (the usual with large corporate mergers) coupled with the effects of a company having less competition and more market control does definitely outweigh whatever positive comes from it.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

#90
I would love to see this kind of thing backfire for MS etc.

I had an odd sense of pride when I found out the UK gov promotes open document standards on their websites.

Whenever someone gives me flak I can now say I'm conforming to national accessibility guidelines.

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