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Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Why? A big part of governance is to ensure individual freedom: Minimum salary, unions, etc. The comment seems to be perfectly congruent. (Though you have to accept a more ... European world view)

Uhh, those are antithetical to individual freedom. If I want to work for less than the minimum salary, I can't. If I want to work at a company and not join a union, I can't. As someone once said, "the true minimum wage is zero."

It is possible to be free in a society that restricts some personal freedoms. The libertarian extremist model that you're suggesting doesn't resemble a society at all, and it's mostly a testament to why we can't provide total personal or market freedom. Without being able to disincentivize bad behavior, everyone will race to the bottom regardless of altruistic intent.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

I would say it's more about accessibility of the store and what you can do with the device. There's not many games you can play on the Apple Watch, not many TV channel apps to download, I expect it's more to do with that than users of the device. They may well have sold more Apple Watches, but the Apple TV has sold less and there's more TV App Store users. This is totally over the top, but just as an example, what if 1% of Apple Watch users use the Watch App Store and 75% of Apple TV users use the Apple TV App Store.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Yeah, sort of how Microsoft could argue that there exists two separate markets for Windows running on stationary compute devices and Windows for mobile devices. Except this is a sad joke and letting Apple get away with two devices running the same OS would be playing into their hand that they stacked years ago when they split them off. What is up with the enormous amount of people on this site who are inexplicably ap…

This is hilarious considering that the classical, yet irrational, fear amongst long time MacOS users is that Apple might be secretly planing an OS convergence. This is usually perceived as doomsday for MacOS and have been feared by some for up to 15 years. You are basically stating the opposite while completely ignoring the actual complexity of such an hypothetical merge for codebases that forked 15 years ago. They s…

Another thing that's hilarious[1] is in the Epic lawsuit Apple wanted to define the market as big as possible while here they define it as small as possible.

[1] not actually hilarious

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

They wouldn’t base their strategy on numbers but function.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

Apple tried their hardest to make non-iPhones "pedo phones", and they'll do the same thing here.

Non-App Store apps help terrorists, criminals, pedophiles, etc someone please think of the children.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Spot on, nobody uses the App Store on the Apple Watch, most people either never use third-party apps on the watch or only use companion apps which are installed alongside iOS apps

I had zero idea there was an App Store on the Apple Watch until this thread. There's some neat apps listed on there - glad everyone in this thread talked about this!

Let me guess, you're using the grid view? :)

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? A big part of governance is to ensure individual freedom: Minimum salary, unions, etc. The comment seems to be perfectly congruent. (Though you have to accept a more ... European world view)

Uhh, those are antithetical to individual freedom. If I want to work for less than the minimum salary, I can't. If I want to work at a company and not join a union, I can't. As someone once said, "the true minimum wage is zero."

You're describing freedom as in anarchy, the parent is describing freedom as in liberty.

I am more free and able to use the software I want when the government forces Apple to unlock their devices even though it makes Apple less free.

I am more free to travel when everyone follows the rules of the road even though I give up some autonomy to do so.

I am more free to use wireless networks because everyone has to stick to their assigned bands even though I give up my ability to use other bands to do so.

I am more free to live and sleep because of noise ordinances even though it means I can't play loud music late at night either.

For people who value liberty, freedom means the ability to do the things you actually want to do. Social norms get enforced everywhere, even in the state of nature.

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