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The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by smackfu »

Erwin wrote: post #105
troymc wrote: post #80

"He belonged to no organizations other than the New York Athletic Club however he had never been in the New York Athletic Club and knew nothing with regard to their membership policies." Why was he a member of the New York Athletic Club? Did someone give him a membership as a gift? (At the time, he did own an apartment at 146 Central Park West in New York City. [Edit: I didn't know that either. It was stated in the p…

The building he had a flat in is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_San_Remo -- a rather exclusive place even as NYC goes and he eventually sold it to U2's Bono for $15 million. Maybe being allowed to buy a flat in there and membership of the club are somehow connected (the club seems to be an exclusive, expensive invite-only gentlemens' club)

According to that wiki article, it's actually the top floor too.

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by smackfu »

quux wrote: post #102
jrockway wrote: post #99

I enjoyed reading this. Sometimes I watch too many cop shows and think that I want to become a detective. Then I read reports like this, and realize that 99% of police work is producing reports like this one. You may get to interview the occasional reference, but you're probably not going to be getting into many gunfights. I feel mislead by fictional television programs :)

Watch The Wire. Most realistic portrayal of police work I've ever seen. Lots of watching suspects and gathering string, putting the pieces of the puzzle together slowly over a season of television, dealing with disfunctional organizations and a realistically low number of gunfights. One of the best TV shows ever made IMO.

Is it really realistic though? The Wire seems to portray only cases that are relevant to the big picture plot, and they always seem to solve them in the end.

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by DrJokepu »

unreal37 wrote: post #85
joshaidan wrote: post #50

My favourite snippet: "Several individuals questioned Mr. Jobs' honesty stating that Mr. Jobs will twist and distort reality in order to achieve his goals."

So far my favorite: "He added that the Appointee lives within his means financially, however, his means are considerable and the Appointee is worth at least 100 million dollars." It's easy to live within your means if you're worth 100 million dollars I guess. Unless you are Elton John or Nicolas Cage.

Curiously enough it's more difficult than you'd think. According to Sports Illustrated, within five years of retirement 60% of NBA players go bankrupt (although I'm not sure how reliable the source is).

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by smspence »

mjwalshe wrote: post #78
mjwalshe wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why would you ever ever release information on vetting ok Steve is dead but all the people who where interviewed are not and neither are Steves family. Would you like to read a recently deceased loved ones warts and all developed vetting report - what public interest is served by this. It is also open to abuse by muck raking hacks I sure Guido Fawlks would love to see the files on Polly Toynbees (Guardian journal…

Voted down Jesus H Crist! From the information this isn't how much some litte town in some fly over state spent of running the dog catching service. Its the results of a TS Clearance Vetting FFS. Do you think people are going to be open about some one if potentialy its going to be vomited over the internets whilst they are still alive.

Would you consider rephrasing that? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by a3camero »

adestefan wrote: post #106
jrockway wrote: post #99

I enjoyed reading this. Sometimes I watch too many cop shows and think that I want to become a detective. Then I read reports like this, and realize that 99% of police work is producing reports like this one. You may get to interview the occasional reference, but you're probably not going to be getting into many gunfights. I feel mislead by fictional television programs :)

Same goes for being a lawyer and doctor. They look so cool on TV and then you see someone doing the "real" job and notice how much is must suck.

As a third year law student and fairly experienced web programmer, I feel like I can maybe weigh in on this: What seems boring to one person is the other person's reason to live! I'm surprised by how thrilled many lawyers are with their practice areas (that I find boring) but they probably feel the same about the areas I've found most interesting in law.

Both are filled with intellectual challenge. People who like problems are attracted to each. Although people who like problems and money might be more attracted to law!

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by artursapek »

nutjob123 wrote: post #39
corin_ wrote: post #30

So a little more information from this document about the Presidential Appointment that was being considered: The president was George Bush senior, and the appointment was "President's Export Council" (not Senate-confirmable) - and this was happening while he was President of NeXT. Jobs was aware of the possibility and indeed had filled in his details on the "Questionnaire For Sensitive Positions" for it. He stated t…

In the interview with the FBI Jobs also stated that "during the period of approximately 1970-1974 he experimented with marijuana, hashish and lsd. This was during high school and college and he mostly used the substances by himself." p.48

I love the page after that where they say he was "not a member of the communist party." Even for the government that seems not even worth writing down.

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by davidhollander »

mikeash wrote: post #107
jordan0day wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To expand on liber8's point, the "red scare" and such seems funny and unreasonable now, but it's important to remember that during the cold war, the USA and the Soviet Union were very much enemies . To put it in another way, would we think the FBI was out-of-bounds today if background checks today included determining if the person being vetted (or their family members) were associated with a terrorist organization?…

The trouble is that "terrorism" inherently contains violence, whereas "communism" can be completely peaceful and nice. Terrorist organizations are always bad. Communist organizations can be completely benign, and were generally considered bad purely by association. To put it slightly differently, it's not like asking if someone is associated with a terrorist organization, but more like asking if someone is associated…

> "communism" can be completely peaceful and nice

Perhaps some forms of Anarcho-socialism could be argued to be both completely nonviolent (peaceful) and voluntary (nice). However any form of Communism calling for the abolition of capitalism, which asserts that others do not have the right to continue asserting claims to private ownership of capital independently, most certainly cannot be considered either.

Re: The FBI's files on Steve Jobs

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Post by dredmorbius »

DrJokepu wrote: post #134
unreal37 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far my favorite: "He added that the Appointee lives within his means financially, however, his means are considerable and the Appointee is worth at least 100 million dollars." It's easy to live within your means if you're worth 100 million dollars I guess. Unless you are Elton John or Nicolas Cage.

Curiously enough it's more difficult than you'd think. According to Sports Illustrated, within five years of retirement 60% of NBA players go bankrupt (although I'm not sure how reliable the source is).

Considering the brevity of an NBA career (4.7 years or so according to a few Googled sources), and at best the mixed bag of financial qualifications of players, this doesn't surprise me much.

Generalizing somewhat: ghetto kid -> scholarship college athlete with a broad academic pass -> pro -> out on the street.

Yes, there is a somewhat broader range of experiences than just that. Still: sports stars generally burn bright, but very briefly.

It's a rollercoaster.

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