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Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by jamiek88 »

adam_arthur wrote: post #61

What would Siri’s market share be if you could easily install Google assistant on iPhone? How much more investment would Apple have put into Siri if they had to compete? I haven’t noticed any improvement in Siri in close to a decade of being in the Apple ecosystem. The most frustrating thing is that every time I ask it to “turn the lights on”, it thinks I’m saying “off”. I grew up in the US and have no notable accent…

Do you actually use google assistant?

The grass ain’t greener, it is rubbish too.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by rednerrus »

heliophobicdude wrote: post #138
rednerrus wrote: post #103

I've switched to using a Chat-GPT shortcut in lieu of Siri and it's absolutely amazing. Apple should figure out how to license GPT and run Siri through it.

Hi! Could you please share details of how yours works?

https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/448738a9ae9b4a5b9a647cb29ea...

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by dabluecaboose »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #104
lynx23 wrote: post #91

Siri, don't make me even start. I like much of what Apple does, but Siri is just hilariously bad. The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Keywords are randomly being changed, sometimes they fire, a day later you have to use a different phrase to get what you want. They even broke "Where am I" at least in German. "Wo bin ich" is sometimes replied to with "Sein oder nicht sein" (to be…

It's infuriating when I ask Siri to play a song and it decides to pick an obscure remix of the song one day, the actual song another day, then another remix another day. Did they test this at all? Why would you ever pick a more complex/verbose option from the results list?

One of the most infuriating things about any voice assistant, IMO, is the absolute clunkiness with which you have to try and control music.

I use Android Auto in my car for safety. God forbid I'm listening to a song and want to queue up another one right after. I don't think I've ever gotten that behavior to work without either skipping the current song or adding the second song to the end of the queue. And even that's assuming that it even recognized the proper song out of my library and didn't try to go to Youtube or something.

Meanwhile, if my buddy is riding shotgun, I can just say "Hey, put on Peace of Mind next"

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by [deleted] »

ninkendo wrote: post #144

I’d love to see a survey of people’s hit/miss rate with Siri, but with the extra dimension of what accent they have and how thick it is. IME, Siri’s speech recognition is actually quite fantastic (I almost never have an issue with a dictated text message saying the wrong thing), but: - I have a very standard midwest american accent - I talk to siri like I’m a pilot talking to ATC: As clearly and succinctly as possibl…

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Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by mgkimsal »

ninkendo wrote: post #144

I’d love to see a survey of people’s hit/miss rate with Siri, but with the extra dimension of what accent they have and how thick it is. IME, Siri’s speech recognition is actually quite fantastic (I almost never have an issue with a dictated text message saying the wrong thing), but: - I have a very standard midwest american accent - I talk to siri like I’m a pilot talking to ATC: As clearly and succinctly as possibl…

Years ago, it seemed Siri would try to understand you via whatever voice accent you'd chosen it to speak in. If you wanted UK Siri, it would understand... a UK accent. Using a Siri UK voice, and speaking with a US midwest accent wouldn't always get you what you expected.

I tried an Australian test, and did a (bad) video of it here: https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/207295417

Note this was... 8 years ago maybe? I forget exactly, but it doesn't seem to work this way any more.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by itsoktocry »

neurobama wrote: post #7

I generally like Siri and rarely experience bugs. I use it to set timers, get the weather, play music via Spotify, occasionally dictate text messages, and look up trivia mid-conversation. It's been my replacement for Alexa ever since I got creeped out by Amazon's audio data retention. In this context I'm suprised to hear Apple employees are unhappy with it.

>I use it to set timers, get the weather, play music via Spotify, occasionally dictate text messages, and look up trivia mid-conversation.

I use my Google Home similarly. But understand that these use-cases are utterly trivial, and Siri (by most accounts) and Google (from experience) still manage to get them wrong too often. It's unbelievable.

I have Google Home products and a YouTube Premium subscription. By 1 of 10 times when I ask for music it'll default to Spotify, which I have never used. How? Why? One of my speakers now reacts to every request with an error when it's not the primary speaker being spoken to.

It's a novelty, nothing more. I wouldn't rely on this stuff for anything. In fact, it's a bug or two away from being permanently removed.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by segasaturn »

garbagecoder wrote: post #106
lynx23 wrote: post #91

Siri, don't make me even start. I like much of what Apple does, but Siri is just hilariously bad. The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Keywords are randomly being changed, sometimes they fire, a day later you have to use a different phrase to get what you want. They even broke "Where am I" at least in German. "Wo bin ich" is sometimes replied to with "Sein oder nicht sein" (to be…

Apple does lay some turds. MobileMe. Whatever their attempt to make iTunes into a social media network was called. Maps until recently. Usually they fix them, but Siri never seems to get better. For what it's worth, I think Alexa has gotten worse, but for different reasons.

>Whatever their attempt to make iTunes into a social media network was called.

It was called Ping for anybody wondering.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by jackson1442 »

deergomoo wrote: post #107
nneonneo wrote: post #30

I’m frankly surprised that Siri hasn’t moved to on-device voice recognition. It’s by far my biggest complaint with Siri: random, unpredictable delays or outright failures to recognize simple messages because the network is unstable or unavailable. There’s other trash too: the other day I tried asking Siri to play a song from my library, but it misinterpreted the song title and proceeded to activate a seven day trial…

> because the network is unstable or unavailable All of Apple’s services by and large handle spotty networks horribly . Take Apple Music for example: if you want to play music you’ve downloaded to your device, it’s often better to switch into airplane mode, because with a present-but-poor signal it will still try to load album listings etc over the network, and sit there on a spinner.

Not that this excuses it, but I've been able to get this to work by going into the "Downloaded" tab in the Music app. That seems to play directly off the device.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by Hamuko »

garbagecoder wrote: post #106
lynx23 wrote: post #91

Siri, don't make me even start. I like much of what Apple does, but Siri is just hilariously bad. The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Keywords are randomly being changed, sometimes they fire, a day later you have to use a different phrase to get what you want. They even broke "Where am I" at least in German. "Wo bin ich" is sometimes replied to with "Sein oder nicht sein" (to be…

Apple does lay some turds. MobileMe. Whatever their attempt to make iTunes into a social media network was called. Maps until recently. Usually they fix them, but Siri never seems to get better. For what it's worth, I think Alexa has gotten worse, but for different reasons.

>Whatever their attempt to make iTunes into a social media network was called.

"iTunes Ping" or "Apple Music Connect".

Yes, they tried it twice.

Re: Even Apple employees hate Siri and are skeptical of its future, new report says

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Post by HDThoreaun »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #134
deergomoo wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gah, my mother has a few Echoes dotted about her house and it’s the only inanimate object I feel compelled to tell to shut the hell up on a regular basis. Give me a direct response if warranted, otherwise a simple chime or acknowledgement. Multiple years into ownership no-one wants a “by the way…” with upsells to other Amazon services. It’s even worse if the reason you were talking to it in the first place is to turn…

Make a routine with these commands. It has to run daily because those cowards at amazon aren't quite ready to let us off the upsell leash. 1. Set volume to 0 2. "Turn off by the way" 3. Set volume back to your preferred. I wonder what the conversion on 'by the way' is. Like how many BTWs have played and how many customers have taken alexa up on that offer?

"By the way" is alexa's entire business model. They sell these devices at a loss and don't require a subscription for the nlp so they can "by the way" you into buying random shit. I'm surprised they let you mute it at all, especially after devices lost $10 billion last year.
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