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How Facebook and Instagram became marketplaces for child sex trafficking

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Re: How Facebook and Instagram became marketplaces for child sex trafficking

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Having traveled to a 3rd world country, I can easily buy weed (illegal there) from many Instagram accounts. So I totally believe that Instagram and FB are often used to facilitate illegal activities. Also, Telegram is another - probably even more on Telegram.

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Re: How Facebook and Instagram became marketplaces for child sex trafficking

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Crimes are committed all the time using phones and yet, we do not allow phone companies to monitor, record and report the content of pur phone conversations. And they can't just add a line in a terms of service, they have no legal right to do it. (Ignore the issue of Metadata, I mean the audio portions of our calls) So why have we accepted it is ok for all of our private electronic conversations to be monitored then?…

This is an excuse that makes no sense. As the article makes clear, this is not happening only on private chat: > It could, for instance, be investing more to develop better tools to “flag suspicious words and phrases on unencrypted parts of the platform – including coded language around grooming,” he said. “This is, fundamentally, not a technological problem, but one of corporate priorities.” (There is a separate deb…

None of this is Meta's problem though. Requiring platforms to monitor user activity is unreasonable.

The main issue here is one of education. By 12 years old, a person should have learned enough about sexual exploitation in school that if a stranger asks them for nude photos, they would call the police.

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At an even higher level, Apple and Google devices are what allow hateful and abusive content to be created. Should they bear some responsibility and prevent us from creating such content?

I think this is a fair question. I guess the way I see the difference is that a google/Apple phone is more like a tool (say a hammer) where Meta is providing a public space (like a restaurant or public square). So I think that in real life we would say that a restaurant owner has some duty to prevent their restaurant from being used to kill people/encourage suicide/do sex trafficking, but we wouldn’t ask a hammer man…

How is Facebook not a platform? Should Apple police messages sent over iMessage?

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It's unusual if they didn't have unmonitored access to the internet. Helicopter parenting takes a lot of energy and technical parents can only do so much. A 12yo without a phone is a social pariah. What is odd to me in the story was the absence of a moral compass of the child and lack of knowledge of the internet as a potentially hostile place.

That's what happens when parents restrict kids instead of teaching them about the dangers.

Americans believe children are pure innocent creatures who should not be told about sex.

Hilariously churches are hotbeds of pedophilia. And the Republican party advocates child marriage.

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I probably left too many comments in this thread, but I just remembered something. WTF happened to FOSTA (Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act) and SESTA (Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act)? The article doesn't make a single mention of either of these acts. Is Meta somehow exempt from these laws?

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Not to absolve Facebook or instagram but it’s clear that the entire model of unrestricted access to global internet is ripe for abuse of vulnerable demographics. Also see scamming elderly with fake profiles of relatives claiming they’ve been kidnapped and so on.

I wouldn’t claim to know the solution. But our starting point is platforms built to provide strangers with unsupervised digital time spent with other strangers. One of those parties may be perverts and predators and the other may be children or teenagers.

You could destroy Facebook and instagram and I guarantee this moves to Snapchat, to TikTok, or to whatever other platforms fill the void.

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Agreed! The government should have access to all online accounts. Bank, email, Facebook,.. and at least once a day each citizen should give mandatory report what they were thinking.

> and at least once a day each citizen should give mandatory report what they were thinking. So just like SCRUM?

Using standups to determine who’s an upstanding citizen…

Re: How Facebook and Instagram became marketplaces for child sex trafficking

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Crimes are committed all the time using phones and yet, we do not allow phone companies to monitor, record and report the content of pur phone conversations. And they can't just add a line in a terms of service, they have no legal right to do it. (Ignore the issue of Metadata, I mean the audio portions of our calls) So why have we accepted it is ok for all of our private electronic conversations to be monitored then?…

> phone conversations

What if you could call your local cell carrier and request SMS pictures of "underaged local girls" along with their phone numbers?

I think the public structure of Instagram is horrific, especially since they apparently allow unsolicited DMs. Even "private" chatrooms like Discord try to block random DMs by default.

And that is setting aside the public marketing of the girls, as nl pointed out. This is way beyond a DM privacy issue.

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It's quite easy to restrict access to kid's devices. We use Google family and the kids all hate us because they have to ask our permission whenever they want to install anything. We also get to see activity reports and we talk to them often about bad people online and why they need to be careful. I understand you can't monitor a child 24/7, but you can be careful with what devices children have access to and what the…

Do your kids have friends? I can guarantee you that they are using their friends devices.

Which is fine because as op explained, they talked to their kids and explained the issue of people online being nefarious.

In no realm of security do we depend on slapping computers out of peoples hands and telling them not to do something. Don't do it with your kids security either.

Re: How Facebook and Instagram became marketplaces for child sex trafficking

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Not to absolve Facebook or instagram but it’s clear that the entire model of unrestricted access to global internet is ripe for abuse of vulnerable demographics. Also see scamming elderly with fake profiles of relatives claiming they’ve been kidnapped and so on. I wouldn’t claim to know the solution. But our starting point is platforms built to provide strangers with unsupervised digital time spent with other strange…

>One of those parties may be perverts and predators and the other may be children or teenagers.

I don't know if it matters, but this is generally replicated in a public park, playground, library, store, subway, etc. The people on social media are the same people walking around everyday.

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